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NDE Doc on Skeptiko

The most recent instalment of the always-fascinating Skeptiko podcast features an interview with Dr. Pim van Lommel (audio podcast and text transcription), well-known researcher of the near-death experience. Van Lommel is best known as the lead author of an NDE study published in 2001 in the premiere medical journal The Lancet:

I was raised and also in the study of medicine years and years ago, I accepted everything, that there is one kind of science and it was materialistic science. I just accepted the fact that everybody thought that consciousness was a product of a functioning brain. It was because in ‘86, after reading the book by George Ritchie, The Return From Tomorrow, about a near-death experience he experienced as a medical student in 1943, I was so curious. I had only heard of it once before in ‘69.

I started to ask my patients who survived cardiac arrest if they could remember something of the period of unconsciousness. To my big surprise, within two years out of 50 patients asked, 12 of them told me about their NDEs. And it was for me the start because it was my scientific curiosity, how it could be explained that people can have an enhanced consciousness when they are unconscious, when the heart doesn’t work and there is no breathing and their brain stops functioning.

That’s the reason we started the study and that’s also when I had so many patients telling me about an enhanced consciousness also with the possibility of perception out and above the body that I had to change all my concepts.

More recently van Lommel has written a best-selling book about the near-death experience, Endless Consciousness, which has recently been translated into English as Consciousness Beyond Life (Amazon US and UK).

Previously on TDG:

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  1. Here’s a guy with the calm
    Here’s a guy with the calm and confidence of someone whose faced 25 years of silly skepticism… to a phenomena that most of his colleagues encounter, but refuse to accept.

  2. Ballance of evidence
    Skeptics evidence against NDE. Zero.
    Believers evidence in an anomaly, much and indisputable.
    All must agree the effect is real.
    Everybody, skeptic or believer must encourage much more scientific research to uncover the truth.
    Any comments outside this research can only be personal opinions and within the context of progress with the problem are of no use, merit, or worth.
    Any skeptic not encouraging main stream science to spend money and time with the best unbiased researchers is simply reflecting his complete lack of desire for true progress.
    That lack of desire could be worth psychologists doing some serious work on, perhaps a scientific answer as to why a certain group of people are unprepared for any progress and fight tooth and nail to maintain a status quo would be very enlightening.

  3. The skeptic industry has all
    The skeptic industry has all the hallmarks of a coordinated effort to quash higher consciousness in general. When you read these professional skeptics en masse the collective pattern of cheating, misdirection, and fudging becomes obvious. It is no wonder at all that some of the most visible of these people are professional magicians as well. They indulge in sleight of hand constantly and manipulate attention away from the best data.

    1. What is it about stage magicians?
      [quote=emlong]It is no wonder at all that some of the most visible of these people are professional magicians as well.
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      I had a friend in the 1990’s who left the company we worked for to be a full-time magician (he was very good, by the way). We were drinking buddies and would have long discussions into the wee hours. The one subject we couldn’t discuss was the paranormal. I really wanted to but at the first mention his demeanour would change and he would almost spit his disgust at even mentioning the subject.

      I think that, because they are aware of the techniques of deception, they know that the “punters” are easily fooled. When it is done for entertainment, that is to be applauded. When it is done to con people for financial (or idealogical) gain, they feel as though their art has been devalued and sullied. They see no shortage of evidence of unscrupulous “psychic” con artists and will do anything to rid the world of this blight.

      All very understandable but there is another side. Who had ever heard of James – The Amazing – Randi before Uri Geller started bending spoons on TV? Randi made a career and probably a fortune, not form his skills as a magician but from his debunking of Geller and others. Richard Wiseman has followed suit – another stage conjurer turned academic/sceptic. Penn and Teller. Derren Brown. I’m sure there are many examples.

      Many of us would welcome this sceptical approach were it not for the accompanying materialist dogma. I don’t appreciate being conned either. They don’t say “be careful because seeing is not always believing.” They say “they are ALL cheats and liars or idiots; there are no psychic phenomena.”

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        When it is done for entertainment, that is to be applauded. When it is done to con people for financial (or idealogical) gain, they feel as though their art has been devalued and sullied.

        He was a pro-bono magician, this friend of yours? 😉

  4. I have regaled this forum
    I have regaled this forum several times with stories from my father’s famously haunted ranch house – multiple witnesses to many. many poltergeist activities over the years which have recently motivated 3 long term ranch employees to leave ranch employment after repeated harassment. My father’s ranch house had the unfortunate fate to be built in the late 1970’s in a grove of what turned out to be historicallly famous hanging trees though no one at the time of building thought to inform us of this.
    Once you have “been there” yourself you can find yourself getting a might peckish when the ignnorant hold forth so arrogantly about these things as do the professional skeptics, and when the collective weight of experience has grown so enormous as it has in this day and age of instant information sharing – not to mention the excellent shows on television such as “Ghost Adventures” with the goofy but effective airhead “Zak” and especially The Haunted” on the television channel “Animal Planet” which brings in the animal reaction to hauntings. After a season of watching the better shows I should think that any skeptic could at least shade over to a position of neutrality on this subject. On just about any given show there is at least one bit of startling evidence such that the all the iffy evidence begins to pale in comparison.
    I suppose I am being equally imperious and stubborn advocating tirelessly for the reality of spirit hauntings, but let’s just say I would love to host The Amazing Randi as an overnight guest in certain bedrooms at the ranchouse. He would no doubt explain away what he saw and heard, but I can guarantee you he would never be the same person after that.
    I have watched Randi over the years, and there was one incident that I thought shook him up pretty good – the Russian girl with the “X ray eyes” who fell just one diagnosis short of winning the ?Million Dollar Challenge” even though Randi very purposefully set up the test to “take her out of her game.” TDG has already analyzed the rigged nature of the “Million Dollar Challenge.” It is emblematic of the bad faith these professional showman skeptics bring to the subject of the paranormal. It is scandalous really.

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