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New Scientist Death Special

Sorry to keep posting on the big ‘D’ topic (that nobody generally likes to talk about), but there’s been plenty of interesting articles which I felt worthy of linking to. The latest is over at New Scientist which has a detailed Death Special, covering everything from the rather macabre question of how it feels to die, through to the shifting definition of death itself, and whether we can do something about it.

One of the topics covered which would be of interest to most TDG readers is the afterlife question. In answer to this question, New Scientist have author Mary Roach discussing some of the experiments done to test whether there is something beyond death. However, it’s a rather disappointing essay, with Roach aiming to entertain more than enlighten. She finds a few cases worth chuckling about, and yet doesn’t mention more evidential material such as the ‘return’ of Fred Myers, the mediumship of Leonora Piper and Gladys Leonard, and the evidence of the ‘book tests’ (for a good run down of evidential material, see Michael Prescott’s blog entry on this very subject). The special also has an article on neurophysiologist Kevin Nelson’s theory that near-death experiences (NDEs) are actually the result of dream-like “REM Intrusions“. On the other side of the coin, the special also regurgitates an article from 2001 on Pim van Lommel’s oft-quoted research into the NDE which gave some credence to the mystery.

Lastly, Grailers might also be interested in another part of the Death Special, which looks at transhumanist efforts aiming at eternal life. The article isn’t overly supportive – quoting AI pioneer Marvin Minsky to ill effect – but there are some excellent video interviews with Anders Sandberg, Aubrey de Grey and Nick Bostrom about the topic which are well worth viewing. Certainly, this will be one of the ‘big’ topics over the next decade I’m sure. And if you think these topics on their own raise enough questions, what about mixing them – and asking if the transhumanist effort for eternal life may actually end up stopping people from experiencing the afterlife…

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  1. Not liking to talk about death
    I don’t mind at all talking about death.

    The problem perhaps is that there is rarely, if ever, anything new being introduced to the public on that subject.

    Matter of fact, the fact that death is shunned by human psychology, that people do not like thinking about death, should be a hint to those with the sensitivity that something is amiss. That this fear of death, that this taboo in our occidental conceptualization of the world, is a system that wants to protect itself from discovery.

    You can’t find anything nor realize anything while looking the other way.

    People tend to think of death as a purely physical phenomena while at the same time, for some, believe that the soul simply disconnects from the body and floats into another dimension.

    In a sense, it is correct, that the soul drifts into another dimension, but has it never occurred to anyone that what the world of the dead is, that what the astral is, really is a sub-plane of matter, as are all these other subtler planes of reality? That we are not the consolidated concentration of energy at the center of a sphere, like one would take of a gravity centric material system, a giant gaz planet for instance, but that instead, it is the outward compressed fabric that pressures against the limit of creation?

    There is a link between death and this different way of seeing the planes of reality as being far from the center of the universe rather than being a condensed center, and it is that those worlds, being sub-material planes, are in constant interaction with matter and that the only reason that we believe the invisible exist is for a limit imposed over the sensory apparatus that would otherwise be quite apt at seeing and interacting with the invisible were it only for slight vibratory changes.

    Death is not only an interesting subject, that fascinate some, that has no interest to others, but is is a subject that if not understood, if not examined outside of the box, will make it impossible for the individual to realize the extent of his reality by peeling off what is not part of him but implanted by sub-atomic worlds that have ascendancy over each other.

    It will not be possible to understand what thought is without the appropriate study of the dead, and therefore it will not be possible for an individual to repatriate his reality without the realization of this energy plane that occupies his lower mentality.

    The investigation of death, of its reality and its composition, should not be considered a fascinating subject but an inescapable necessity.

    1. Same with dreams
      Dreams are not produced but received by the brain.

      The brain is a terminal, not the other way around.

      Matter is terminal, not the other way around.

      Everything in matter is sustained by energies that move through this plane from more and more centered universal planes, not the other way around.

      It matters not how much studies they make regarding the brain as the source of these phenomena if they have not realized that the brain is an interface.

  2. Transhumanists
    What’s the point?

    Of course, if you believe that you are just the result of interacting physical properties, then they might have a point.

    Anyway, I guess somebody will fund this kind of work until they hit a wall.

    Does anyone really believe that consciousness is an artifact that can be replicated? And if this was the case, would your consciousness be transferred in the copy?

    Unbelievable what these critters will make you think.

  3. Big topic indeed in this century
    As we are nearing a new age for consciousness, the dead are going to become more and more excited.

    They will use all kinds of means to try and communicate more and more with humans as they realize that the solution is not on their side but on ours.

    Advances in technologies, as it uses smaller and smaller material supports, as it starts getting close to nano computing and light computing will make their interaction via electronics of these advanced types more and more common.

    At one point, their disarray will be such that they will invest huge amounts of energy to materialized in hope to sway man’s right to recuperate his energy and leave with his consciousness whole.

    How will people react when they can’t differentiate between a living and a dead?

    1. Great comments!
      All the comments you have added are damn interesting Richard. I myself have this very big interest with death, which possibly some people might find morbid, but as you have stated, it’s because those same people might want to live in the comfy illusion that they’re immortal. In other words, they don’t want to deal with death until death presents and knocks on their doors. Which is something that’s going to happen to ALL of us.

      All of us.

      I also disagree with the transhumanists idea that you can “download” you thoughts in a computer and live forever. That’s only a backup of your memory. And even if that backup can interact in a way that someone could deem sentient and “conscius”, it is still a backup.

      I realized that when I saw the movie “The 6th day” with Ahhh!nold. yes, a pretty lame sci-fi, but that relization was worth the viewing of the movie. When one of the bad guys is shot and knows is going to die, he quickly goes and activates one of his clones that has been programmed with the latest version of the man’s memories. The clone comes out of his tube or womb or whatever, and calmly begins to strip the “original” of his clothes.

      “Aren’t you going to wait until I die?” The dying one asks
      “Would you?” coldly replies the “copy”.

      That’s when I realized that, even if you download your memory to another vessel, being a cibernetic processor or another brain, that’s only a copy that will have an independent existence from your own. For the rest of the world, your person will continue to exist, but as far as YOU are concerned, you will die. So great for the world if you’re a great scientist or rock star, but you’re still screwed.

      Well, are you?

      If you think about it, we train for our death every day of our lives. We do it every night when we go to bed. And we dream. Dream and death, I agree completely with Richard that thy are both connected in some way, and until science realize this, they probably won’t make huge advances in how consciousness works.

      I only hope that when my time comes, I face it with more curiosity than fear.

      —–
      It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
      It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

      Red Pill Junkie

      1. Memory and death
        Here is what I would say about this.

        We have been trained or induced in functioning at a memorial level ever since we descended in matter.

        Memory is a function of the soul, that energy that electrifies the body.

        On the other hand, this energy, being tied to a polarized animal body, acts as a reflective shield against our reality, creating the reflective thought process that we believe is us but that really is the energizing of memories for the creation of forms that conform to a particular experience.

        Looking at it from another angle, man is not a memory but an intelligence that comes from the highest levels of reality and whose energy has been hijacked and replaced by thought forms.

        Death is a recent phenomena that coincides with the creation of the astral, or world of the dead, for that very purpose and that lead to the fall of man, a race that had never known death until it was seduced by the animalistic senses that reinforced the memorial impression of the incarnational experience enough so that the soul would not tend to drift out of its link with matter.

        On one hand it allowed the creation of an intellectual ego, which had been planned but on the other hand it severed the waken connection with other aspects of consciousness that would have otherwise instructed him but would not have led to the absolute immersion within matter that would allow the eventual connection of all the planes of reality within a single intelligence, integral man.

        Death is an insult to intelligence because at death, man becomes totally disconnected from his reality.

        High astral entities, be it Seth or any other of those who have not yet made a pact with those Luciferian hierarchies by refusing reincarnation and reconnection, will have to come back here and now they are starting to realize it, the most evolved ones at least do.

        Death is not a natural condition, it is a condition that is tied to the coming of man on this planet.

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