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Afterlife Belief

Where will you be when you’re dead? That’s the (rhetorical) question posed by high-profile atheist preacher P.Z. Myers at his Pharyngula blog. In actual fact, it’s more an opening for Myers to rail about the “belief” in an afterlife, and (rather predictably) how ‘parasitic’ religions manipulate that belief:

[B]elief in the persistence of the mind is almost certainly a property of normal consciousness, and is hard to escape. I’d agree too that these beliefs are not an invention of religion. As he puts it, the details of specific religious beliefs about an afterlife are produced by “an architectural scaffolding process, whereby culture develops and decorates the innate psychological building blocks of religious belief”.

However, I’m not going to let religion off the hook. What this means is that it parasitizes intrinsic and ultimately infantile tendencies, and builds on irrational tendencies rather than trying to overcome them. This is not a virtue; it’s an exploitation of a psychological weakness.

The post goes into how the belief in an afterlife may be a holdover from the “naive” cognitive traits of childhood. What would have been more interesting is an analysis of the Near Death Experience, which presents a far more lucid and detailed suggestion of a waiting afterlife. Is the NDE the end product of a lifetime working up a psychological defence mechanism against the dying process? Or conversely, does the belief in an afterlife actually arise out of the Near Death Experience, with tales of what awaits us being relayed by experiencers throughout history?

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  1. Hypocritical Myers
    Can Myers prove nothing happens when we die? Can he prove there is no soul or Afterlife? No he can’t, he’s preaching a belief just like religions do. Boorish hypocrite.

  2. Speculation
    All talk about the “afterlife” is no more than speculation. No-one has been able to “prove” conclusively that something exists after we die, but nor has anyone been able to provie that nothing exists either.

    Any experiences that do suggest an afterlife are always very personal, and subjective. There is no scientific way of proving otherwise.

    I agree that it would be better if we could discuss the matter in terms of those personal experiences that have arisen, even if it is just to suggest that perhaps the brain has linked to past memories. At least then the fact that people have had experiences is accepted.

    The trouble with many skeptics today is that they are determined to place many people who have had these experiences into categories linked to drugs or hallucinations. Whilst hallucinations can be forced into being, as some experiments have recently shown, it doesn’t mean that they don’t happen anyway in a more natural way without additional aids. Just because something can be faked doesn’t mean it is always faked!

    I recently watched a video about a scientist who has worked in the field of psychiatry/psychology for all of her life due to her brother having a mental condition and one day she had a stroke. The experience itself taught her so much about our brain and how it works. The two halves act in totally different ways. The left side is the practical, linear thinking part, and the right brain is a more general diffused form. She liked to call the right side her “la la land”. She described in detail how things progressed during her stroke, and I found it fascinating.

    She has recovered, and this was apparently, or so I read, to have happened 14 years ago. It certainly was a marvellous experience and the information gained needs to be taken into consideration when looking at how the brain may form hallucinations. The fact that she had a part of her which could wander between the sides suggests there is a separate part to us all, other than the two halves of our physical brain. Where this goes after death is something else, but it would be fascinating if someone could truly tell us, but by then the means would be lost.

    There are people who say they are mediums and can link with guides who advise them of other “spirits” who wish to communicate. I know that some people are able to predict/console/support/help the ordinary person via these means, and there can be discarnate energies which can be viewed as “ghosts” but what these are I really don’t know, and if we did find out we may discover that we have to completely reappraise what our “universe” actually is and many people could not face such a traumatic change and so would reject such a situation.

    Perhaps that is how religion has become so fragmented and discordant?

    Carol A Noble

    1. Watching your brain have a stroke
      Greg posted that video last May. Watch it here. It is a must-see.

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      It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
      It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

      Red Pill Junkie

      1. Yes RPJ
        Yes RPJ

        That’s the one.

        I have to say I admire her very much and found the whole concept fasinating. My own limited experiences have already indicated that there probably is something else beyond, but I have not had the sort of experience she has had. Unless someone has this experience, and is then able to communicate it at a later date, then no-one will believe it ever was like that.

        The fact that despite her speech being seriously effected she has managed to recover her speech and seems to be reasonably normal in both her thinking and her physical actions, says a lot for her stamina and the care she received. Because of this she was able to recount the event to those who would listen. Many stroke victims unfortunately never recover that amount of ability. What tales would they tell, if only they could?

        Carol A Noble

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