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Robbie Williams, Ufologist?

The Guardian has an excellent story from Jon Ronson (author of The Men Who Stare At Goats) about pop star Robbie Williams’ interest in ufology. After mentions of this story in more ‘sensational’ form from the British tabloids, it’s great to have this detailed account from Ronson, who certainly has credentials in investigating strange topics.

On December 18 2006, Robbie Williams played the last of 59 stadium shows in a row, announced he was going to spend Christmas at his home in Los Angeles, and then basically disappeared. He was hardly seen at all in 2007. He briefly checked into rehab. He spent quite a bit of time hiking and playing football (he owns a football pitch on Mulholland Drive). Then he stopped hiking and playing football. His record company, EMI, announced he had no plans to release an album in 2008. Today he unexpectedly calls me to ask if I want to go with him to the desert in Nevada to meet UFO abductees.

“I’ve been spending so much time at home on the internet on sites like AboveTopSecret.com,” he says. “I want to do something. I want to go out there and meet these people. I want to be a part of this. I want to do something other than sit in my bed and watch the news. And it starts with the UFO conference in Laughlin, Nevada, on Thursday.

Rather than painting Williams as having descended into some sort of madness (although the beard, seemingly unlimited bank account and enthusiastic embrace of a fringe topic do give off a great Howard Hughes vibe), Ronson instead takes time to get inside the former Take That member’s head – and shows instead a genuinely inquisitive (if perhaps slightly credulous) soul who wants to understand more about these strange occurrences, not much different to most TDG readers.

Coming on the back of his recent excellent (and unfavourable) profile of Sylvia Browne, and book about the history of the U.S. Army’s “psychic spies” The Men Who Stare At Goats (Amazon US and UK) – see also the documentary based on the book – Jon Ronson is certainly developing into perhaps the public face of journalism into the strange topics we like to cover. Someone to keep an eye on.

Editor
    1. LOL
      Na nu, Na nu! 🙂

      PS:[quote]”I don’t want to hear any debunking because I want to believe.”[/quote]

      We all wanted to Robbie, my mate. But then we realized that path would turn Ufology into our new personal religion.

      I hope he finds what he’s looking for, and with the economic liberty he enjoys, maybe he could fund some serious research. Perhaps aiding a particular little website that deals with fortean topics?…

      How about it Greg? Ready to trade Tool for Take that? 😉

      —–
      It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
      It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

      Red Pill Junkie

      1. disclaimer
        I don’t know if I ever have heard any music by Robbie Williams, and I really don’t know who the band Tool is.
        I saw some Robbie stuff, but did not hear the audio. It looks like a short guy wagging his rear end. Perhaps his front end too.

        Now considering that I had no audio, I don’t know anything about the music. Maybe it is Mozart quality stuff. Maybe Robbie can sing. Maybe Beyonce has a small butt.

        Maybe Bill Shatner (Cpatain Kirk) can sing….

        —-
        if everything is under control, you are not going fast enough (Mario Andretti)

        1. what?????
          [quote=earthling]I really don’t know who the band Tool is.[/quote]

          As a TDG admin, I feel it is my solemn duty to remedy that!
          —–
          It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
          It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

          Red Pill Junkie

  1. The Men Who Ridicule Things They Don’t Understand
    I’ve always been annoyed at Ronson’s Men Who Stare At Goats because of the way he treats the subject matter as a big joke. It perpetuates and encourages the public mentality to ridicule psychics as deluded nutjobs. You only have to read the reviews of Ronson’s book on Amazon to see the ridicule and scorn and sarcasm. It’s a kangaroo court, it’s ugly, and I’m sick of ignorant nuffnuffs who think they know everything when they haven’t looked at a scrap of research or evidence. If Ronson was using humour to make the subject matter more accessible to the public, well it didn’t work going by the Amazon reviews. Yes, there are a lot of crackpots out there, but too often serious psychic research gets painted with the same brush and enough is enough.

    For a much better book on America’s psychic spy program, I recommend Paul H. Smith’s Reading The Enemy’s Mind (Amazon US sold out, in stock Amazon UK). Yes, he isn’t impartial as he was an active member of the program, both at SRI and the CIA. But Smith backs it up with evidence, and the research material is freely available online, including the CIA/military experiments.

    1. Good points
      [quote=Rick MG]I’ve always been annoyed at Ronson’s Men Who Stare At Goats because of the way he treats the subject matter as a big joke…

      …For a much better book on America’s psychic spy program, I recommend Paul H. Smith’s Reading The Enemy’s Mind (Amazon US sold out, in stock Amazon UK). Yes, he isn’t impartial as he was an active member of the program, both at SRI and the CIA. But Smith backs it up with evidence, and the research material is freely available online, including the CIA/military experiments.
      [/quote]

      Hi Rick,

      Have to agree with a lot of what you say. I did find much of The Men Who Stare at Goats to approach it in a joking manner, and was rather annoyed by the approach…though when you think about it, there are quite a few aspects that deserve the absurdity.

      I guess they are very different types of books though – TMWSAG is a pop, quasi-satirical read, while Paul Smith’s book is more of a serious historical reference to what he was part of. You make good points though about how books like Ronson’s affect public perception of this sort of research. Although perhaps I could be accused of a similar thing at times!

      It doesn’t help when Richard Dawkins quotes from it during a TED talk either… 😉

      Nevertheless, I found Jon Ronson’s articles on Sylvia Browne and Robbie Williams to be much more personal, detailed and considered.

      Kind regards,
      Greg
      ——————————————-
      You monkeys only think you’re running things

      1. The News Editor Who Stares At Cats
        I just read the Robbie Williams article and I agree, it’s respectful and balanced and a mature, thoughtful piece of writing. It makes me wonder how much influence Ronson’s publisher and editors had over Goats, or if he’s become more receptive and open-minded to paranormal phenomena after years of research and interviews. Maybe I should ask the man himself. 😉

        And you’re right about RTEM. I meant to mention it’s a detailed history and memoir of the US military’s psychic research program. It’s a completely different style of book to TMWSAG. They’re both worth reading, but TMWSAG does seem to be written for the skeptics who snort with derision and give each other a **nudge nudge, wink wink** in between woo-woo noises.

  2. Robbie and the weird
    One thing the article missed that’s significant about Robbie is that his interest in the esoteric has gone so far that he now owns the TV and film rights to Grant Morrison’s ‘The Invisibles’. That’s the sort of reading which will open up most people who are merely credulous about the occult – to put it mildly!

    1. Coincidence
      I bought The Invisibles the other day and read it in one go! I’m rereading it now. Amazon US or UK. I only have one criticism, and that’s the character McGowan’s lack of remorse for his violent acts, particularly beating up a teacher who was trying to help him. Kudos to Morrison however for not going the easy route and portraying the cliche stereotypical evil teacher authority who bullies students and brainwashes them with conservative dogma. Unless his message was, “sod this weak wanker with his peace and love, anarchy in the UK!”, in which case… well, every page of The Invisibles makes you think.

      1. Don’t be too hard on Dane
        Hi Rick,

        I’m guessing it’s the first volume you’ve bombed through, partly because you don’t mention the therapy I’d of thought necessary having eaten all seven volumes in one sitting, and partly because Dane’s character develops beautifully. Morrison also does a great, sophisticated variant of the “what’s the aftermath of a henchman’s death?” idea that I first came across in the Austin Powers films. If you loved the first, you’ll love the rest.

        You might also want to check out The Filth, his best other work, IMO. Can’t do you an Amazon link; I only manged my first HTML tag the other day.

        Matt

        1. Dane’s cool
          Cheers Matt,

          I’ve only read the first volume (twice), and you’re right, Morrison is laying the groundwork for some very deep character development. I can’t wait to see where he takes it.

          I’ve been told Animal is quite good also, but I’m partial to the themes in The Invisibles. 😉

          Rick

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