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Graham Hancock on the Joe Rogan Experience (JRE #551)

Geez Louise, two in a row! Once again, Powerful Joe Rogan regales us listeners with one kickass podcast episode; this time with none other than Graham Hancock, the explorer of deep mysteries and lost worlds, who came to the JRE studio for a wide-range discussion about altered states of consciousness, the benefits of psychedelics both for their healing qualities and as tools to expand one’s concept of Reality, along with the kind of research into ancient civilizations he’s most famous for ever since he published his seminal book Fingerprints of the Gods nearly 20 years ago.

A lot of things have happened in those 20 years, incidentally. Not only is archeoastronomy being taken a much more predominant role –thanks in part to the availability of computer software which can simulate the exact position of the constellations as they were in the night sky thousands of years ago– but we keep digging up more amazing discoveries which have forced historians to push back the dawn of civilization ever further. For Graham, the discovery of Göbekli Tepe felt like a personal vindication to his theories which are still considered as ‘pseudoscience’ by orthodox archeologists –although with Göbekli Tepe we actually need to talk about a RE-discovery, for the existence of the Turkish megalithic site was known since the 1950s, but it was originally dismissed by American scholars because its columns were ‘too finely carved’; it was only until the (recently deceased) German archeologist Klaus Schmidt decided to take a second look to those columns in 1994, that it was finally ascertained they predated the megaliths in Stonehenge by at least 6000 years.

Indeed, one of the main topics in Joe’s chat with Hancock was the issue of being in either the right or the wrong side of history. Copernicus and Galileo, with their theories about the nature of our planet and our solar system, are now universally acknowledged to be in the right side of history, whereas the Holy Inquisition and the cardinals who put Galileo into house arrest –and condemned Giordano Bruno to a fiery execution– are perceived in our age as reactionaries who stood in the way of progress. The same will no doubt be said of those who demanded TED to put down both Hancock’s & Rupert Sheldrake’s TEDx presentations a year ago, just as surely as future generations will also view the government agencies & international interests seeking to perpetuate the war on drugs, as the XXth century equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition: For standing in the way of every adult’s sovereign right to explore its own consciousness through the tools that have been at our disposal for thousands of years –Entheogens.

But perhaps with this & other needless wars there have been other forces at play, which has in fact been the subject of Graham’s fictional novel War God, the 1st in a trilogy of books dealing with a subject near & dear to my heart: The Spanish conquest of Mexico. If you read the novel already –for which I wrote a review for The Grail last July– you’d already know Graham explored the potential influence of ‘supernatural’ entities in the unfolding of that crucial moment in history; this year War God’s sequel Return of the Plumed Serpent will be released, and Hancock’s readers will find out how the demon/demiurge revered by the Aztecs as their god Huitzilopochtli played with both emperor Moctezuma and the Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés to prompt the fall of the Aztec reign, and the enslavement of millions of natives. Could it be that the same demon filling Cortés’ head with dreams of glory and riches in the XVIth century, has been also whispering in the ear of modern leaders, in order to maintain an endless river of blood to sate its thirst?

And yet, if there are dark entities seeking the suffering of men, couldn’t there also be forces of light seeking to guide us and show us a way out of the darkness? Graham’s personal experiences with the Ayahuasca brew have convinced him that this is the case; who knows? maybe those guides are also responsible for the modern resurgence of psychedelics in our present times, as well as how contemporary technologies like the world wide web, are empowering the masses into seeing beyond the web of lies that our governments have spun around our eyes for far too many years.

So be sure to listen to this latest episode of the Joe Rogan’s Experience with one of TDG’s favorite authors, and pre-order War God: Return of the Plumed Serpent to learn more about Graham Hancock’s gnostic vision of the world. BTW if you send him an e-mail to wargoddedications@gmail.com with confirmation of the pre-ordering before October 9th, he will send you a special bookplate with his signature to your designated postal address which you’ll be able to stick in your copy. This he’ll do after he returns from his trip around the United States with American catastrophist Randall Carlson –the last leg of his research for the upcoming book Magicians of the Gods— which will culminate at the Paradigm Symposium in Minneapolis, where he’ll meet with his friends & colleagues Robert Bauval & John Anthony West.

I will be there in Minnesota this October, where I’ll have the tremendous pleasure to extend my personal gratitude to one of the most illustrious explorers of our time.

  1. “Catastrophism”
    Hi RPJ –

    I have one favorite authority on comet and asteroid impact, myself.

    He is not a “catastrophist”, as “catastrophism” includes too many cranks and crank theories, such as sudden “crustal shifts”, “wandering planets”, and impossible physics.

    Yes, there have been many different relatively advanced civilizations which have disappeared, often through impact events and the climatic and environmental consequences of them, but often they were destroyed by other things.

    It is very important to know EXACTLY what destroyed them.

    General arm waving and loquacious theory does not suffice.
    Neither does fuzzy thinking.

    As far as the ancient astronomies go, we know what we know about them, and that knowledge is very slowly extended.

    I often meet up with people trying to impose their own modern understanding on ancient remains. The thinking of those who created the remains are most usually clearly separate from theirs.

    As far as the use of psychedelic drugs goes, not everyone is Graham Hancock. In my opinion, those who try them need to proceed with extreme caution, and need to have a mental framework sufficient for handling their effects.

    Whether hallucinogens played a role in the collapse of ancient civilizations is an interesting question, but we better know for sure and exactly how. For example, did the Aztec use of hallucinogens lead to cruel behavior, and that lead to the hatred of them by their neighbors?

    Finally, some people currently tend to focus on megalithic structures, as they survive through time. But everyone needs to keep in mind that ancient peoples commonly had large trees available to them, larger and in large numbers than is common today.

    The one thing that must be admitted in examining the “fringe” is that some of those “cranks” do force the archaeologists to face up to inconvenient facts which they have often tried to skate by.

    1. “Catastrophists”
      Hi E.P.

      Pardon me for my confusion, but I’m not sure what you imply with your remark about Randall. Do I take it you don’t agree with his research and conclusions with regards to cometary impacts, and how they might have be responsible for creating geological features that most academics consider to be the result of slow erosion?

      Re. the Aztecs & hallucinogens, I did mention in my book review of War God that if psychedelics do anything is to boost what’s already present in the person’s psyche –even if he or she is not aware of it. As an example I mentioned both Ram Dass & Charles Manson, who both became who they became due to the ingestion of LSD in their youth; same experience, VASTLY different outcome.

      That’s why cautious psychonauts keep reminding people of the famous “set & setting” mantra, which seems to be even more important than the actual substances themselves.

      Psychedelics, when they are legalized, are NOT going to be the panacea that’s going to propel humanity to our next evolutionary stage all by themselves –that’s what the Hippies believed, and their naivete was their undoing. But they have the potential of being a very powerful tool for the exploration of human consciousness, if used responsibly and with respect.

      1. Impacts
        Hi RPJ –

        Within the field of impact research, we are now at the point where there are several people taking many features that they see and claiming they are astroblemes. Given the limited resources for geological field work, they are actually a nuisance, as usually they have no idea of impact mechanics.

        But that is not what bothers me here. It is the tying of claims of the early awareness of precession and an early date for the Sphinx in with impact research. It is as bad as having impact research tied into global warming denial. They are two very different issues, though related, but the ties are retarding work in the field of impact research.

        In my view, the problem with Graham’s work is that he looks for only one advanced early civilization, when there were many. That is also what probably led to his commercial success with the theosophist cult fragment. I much prefer Andrew Collins works.

        Hallucinogens are what they are. “Set and setting” is a part of it, so are physical and mental condition of the person using them.
        I have studied their use by ancient societies, and am aware of modern usage here in the US.

        As far modern usage goes, well, do not perjure yourself on a peyote application and then give it to a person who gives it to very young people, or you will meet your fate.

        Do not use them to confuse people; and do not promote bad ones.

        The use by psychiatrists and psychologists or other doctors I am not qualified to comment on, aside from pointing out that they are tools.

        1. Nuisance
          Have you met Randall, or contacted him somehow? I think you’re painting things here with a rather broad brush. When I listened to the man, he sounded pretty knowledgeable and reasonable –to a layman like myself, at least 😉

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