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The God Wars

Bryan Appleyard has written a provocative piece for New Statesman on “the futility of the neo-atheist” project:

Religion is not going to go away. It is a natural and legitimate response to the human condition, to human consciousness and to human ignorance. One of the most striking things revealed by the progress of science has been the revelation of how little we know and how easily what we do know can be overthrown. Furthermore, as Hitchens in effect acknowledged and as the neo-atheists demonstrate by their ideological rigidity and savagery, absence of religion does not guarantee that the demonic side of our natures will be eliminated. People should have learned this from the catastrophic failed atheist project of communism, but too many didn’t.

Happily, the backlash against neo-atheism has begun, inspired by the cult’s own intolerance. In the Christmas issue of this magazine, Dawkins interviewed Hitchens. Halfway through, Dawkins asked: “Do you ever worry that if we win and, so to speak, destroy Christianity, that vacuum would be filled by Islam?” At dinner at the restaurant in Bayswater we all laughed at this, but our laughter was uneasy. The history of attempts to destroy religion is littered with the corpses of believers and unbelievers alike. There are many roads to truth, but cultish intolerance is not one of them.

The God Wars“, by Bryan Appleyard (New Statesman)

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  1. from the Revealed-Herstory-Dept.
    another nice slice of the Possibilities :3

    other ways of looking at this:

    The Media Wars: media creates something quite artificial called ‘news’, which truncates and hacks off the quite complex, changeable, multivalued reality and tries to fit it into 20-second sound bytes, phatic meaning. and media outlets have been losing money. so they scramble to keep their heads above water and create controversy. and/or are like arms dealers who sell to everyone and keep the chaos going

    The Meme Wars: little bits of existence acting according to understandable behaviours for their own purposes control and guide their actions so that what i may think of as my actions are really because of these tinier bits wants and desires…

    The Lucifer Principle: everything is an experiment; not all experiments ‘survive’ or are successful. Those experiments that aren’t working have mechanisms built in to then cut themselves off from adversely affecting their surroundings.

    and so it goes

    1. I can’t believe that adults
      I can’t believe that adults are carping over the god question. That is so sophomoric. Dawkins and his ilk are just as ludicrous as rabid bible thumpers.

      1. from the Living-with-Satan-Dept.
        Just goes to show you some people can’t have too much fun.

        (no matter what it is, whether cnnek’s riffs on da jews, your riffs on Chemtrails & the False Flag, or mine on certainty)

        1. It’s not the conversation
          It’s not the conversation that bothers me. It is the manner of their attack and their all or nothing approach. It is just like spoiled children having a tantrum because they are not getting everything that they want.

          1. from the Radical-Secularism-Dept.
            you wrote to red pill junkie:

            “Whatever happened to thinking one thing one day and thinking another another day?”

            Now, aboot your reaction to ‘Dawkins’ and his ‘ilk’…can you do the above?

            This is my favourite way to look at it: everyone should be given the right to practice whatever worldview they want as long as it isn’t breaking the rule of law; yet not all worldviews can be lived? Ferinstance, if someone has a worldview of murdering nonconsensually…

            Do you see how much is a result of you in your estimation of the ilk? In that, what you bring to the equation?

            I’m not saying you’re wrong here, just to remind you :3

            Oh, and damn the illuminati!


            Photo of Milford Sound in New Zealand!

  2. Silent majority
    I sometimes enter into pointless discussions with my family members, arguing that if they think of themselves as Catholics but dismiss some of the most archaic elements of the Catholic dogma, that this is moral hypocrisy; if you decide to adhere to a religion I rant, you then should embrace the whole of it, warts and all.

    Needless to say, mine is always the lonely dissenting voice.

    Because the truth is that my family members are right: when people tend to profess a particular belief system, they modify it according to their own needs.

    That’s why so-called ‘Catholics’ have no qualms whatsoever with using condoms, enjoy sex not just for reproductive purposes, and get a divorce when a relationship shows to be wanting –just keep the Pope out of the loop 😉

    So I also suspect that the majority of people who don’t profess any religion, or even defend the certainty of an absent deity in the Universe, don’t necessarily agree with the thorniest aspects of the neo-atheist militancy. They surely have learned to ‘live and let live’ with their religious friends and coworkers in a respectful harmony. They are the silent majority.

    Yes, there are a lot of trolls in the atheist blogosphere, but that’s also the truth with many other social networks. Just because they are the loudest, doesn’t mean they speak for the whole of the silent majority.

    Our caveats of course lies in the fact that such behaviors are not only condoned or overlooked by the leaders of that particular movement; they often encourage it.

    But, just as most of the people who are against Scientology don’t decide to join Anonymous, I don’t think that the silent majority of non-religious individuals are constantly pondering the writings and speeches of the neo-atheist leaders.

    And as for the neo-atheist trolls, it’s kind of ironic if you think about it: all the few precious moments of the ONLY life they hope to have, wasted with online rants and feuds –not so much of an evolutionary advantage that would guarantee the chance to reproduce if you ask me 😉

    1. Whatever happened to thinking
      Whatever happened to thinking one thing one day and thinking another another day? People are so fired up about the sanctity of their belief systems that they have lost their sense of humor. How deadly dull. I certainly have beliefs based on conjecture about certain mundane affairs, but as for the Big Questions they are called big for a reason – they are often too damn big for humans to completely grasp.

      1. “Stay in the box, dammit!!”

        Whatever happened to thinking one thing one day and thinking another another day?

        It angers people, because they <3 to put their mental image of you inside one of their labeled brain boxes 😉

        1. Here is where we drag in one
          Here is where we drag in one of the great cliches of our times:

          “A foolish consistency of the hobgoblin of little minds…” (R.W. Emerson)

          He wasn’t talking about consistency in any one argument of the moment but about an insistence on consistency in all things all of the time. It is the defensive instinct of the ego to always protect itself that inhibits creative thinking. The ego wants to sit in a feathered nest and there squat for all eternity.
          As I enter my late middle age I find I have grown tired of defending a self image with the consequence that I am doing some of the most creative thinking of my life and truly being relaxed enough to think more widely. For those of us who may not be the brightest bulbs in the box there is a measure of comfort in at least being able to come up with an original thought here and there.

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