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News Briefs 11-07-2011

Mysterious bit of a url left over from today’s news search: =obinsite
I’ve rechecked all today’s links (I think), but I still can’t figure out where this bit came from, or where it’s supposed to go.

Quote of the Day:

So the carbon tax will cost most people a whopping $9.90 per week — small price to pay for the environment, right?

But people are screaming like they’re being a***-raped by unicorns. I seriously want to slap people and say STFU! You have a roof, you have food, you can afford to pay your bills — you’re not living on the street for fucks sake.

Personally, I don’t think the carbon tax will change anything (except line big business’s pockets with more money). But the way people are reacting to it… jesus f**king christ, Australians are the most spoilt, self-centred, materialistic, whiny, complaining, whingy little f**ards I’ve ever come across.

A Daily Grail news editor – from Oz.

  1. That honest German motorist
    Wow, even though I would love to say that I would have done exactly the same, and handed in over a million Euros I found on the roadside, I somehow doubt that I would have.

    Full marks to this good example of humanity.

  2. quote of the day
    fair dinkum, thats a corker of quote, the best ive seen in years….I been pissing myself for hours lol

    Unfortunately though, its bloody true, and i’m a Skip too……
    so sick of the 30 second sound byte MSM in Oz and the narrow minded and bigoted view of the 30 seconds they show…..

    I swear its only the dickheads that are breeding in this country sometimes…. prolly the results of the $5k baby bonus hey

    I truly hope it spurs a change in industry investment attitudes and encourages some forward thinking in R&D and tech innovation towards clean energy generation and then maybe in 20 years I wont be living in a country that only has over priced and over leveraged housing or big empty holes in the ground to offer

    I’ll stop ranting now lol
    cheers

  3. Not this news editor
    [quote]So the carbon tax will cost most people a whopping $9.90 per week — small price to pay for the environment, right?

    But people are screaming like they’re being a***-raped by unicorns. I seriously want to slap people and say STFU! You have a roof, you have food, you can afford to pay your bills — you’re not living on the street for fucks sake.

    Personally, I don’t think the carbon tax will change anything (except line big business’s pockets with more money). But the way people are reacting to it… jesus f**king christ, Australians are the most spoilt, self-centred, materialistic, whiny, complaining, whingy little f**ards I’ve ever come across.[/quote]

    While there’s certainly a (large) portion of the country that just react regardless, there’s certainly reason to have negative feelings about the carbon tax. As a member of a five-person family, we just did plenty of re-arranging of priorities just to save ourselves $20/week. $10/week may not sound much, but when you’re living on the line, with 3 kids, and every other bill (rates, electricity, water, car rego, insurance) also are spiraling upwards, there’s an understandable amount of grief out there about this new tax. Especially when the government said before the previous election that they would *not* institute a carbon tax.

    Now fair play to the government, they’re giving tax breaks to help people out. Though it seems to me they’ve just created a bizarre circle where the tax will be on big polluters, who will pass it on to consumers in various ways, who will then be reimbursed by the government through tax breaks paid for by…the carbon tax. The only point I can see to that strategy is they are counting on substantial increases in the carbon tax in later years.

    Now, if it were going to save the environment, that might be worth sucking it up and moving on. But it’s not going to. While the government are busy showing their world-saving credentials here, they’re also trying to seal up massive coal deals with China. The Carbon Tax is a badly implemented piece of policy done for the wrong reason (a minority government placating the balance-of-power holding Green party). So I reserve my right to not be happy with it (even if I’m not going out of my way to be a “whingy little f**ard” about it).

    Not everything that gets advertised under the banner of “good for the environment” is actually smart policy worth supporting.

    1. The question is, are you *motivated*?

      Now fair play to the government, they’re giving tax breaks to help people out. Though it seems to me they’ve just created a bizarre circle where the tax will be on big polluters, who will pass it on to consumers in various ways, who will then be reimbursed by the government through tax breaks paid for by…the carbon tax. The only point I can see to that strategy is they are counting on substantial increases in the carbon tax in later years.

      The point – or so I’ve read – is that the carbon tax will motivate people to buy products and patronize businesses that pollute less, thus stimulating the introduction of greener technologies.

      I volutarily participated in a similar scheme for several years by paying an extra $10-15 a month for “100 percent wind-generated” (rather than coal-generated) electricity. The utility company buys more wind turbines with the extra money.

      This summer my utility company implemented a more draconian method of motivating its customers to cut back on electricity useage. For residential customers, they substantially increased rates on all electricity useage over 500 kwh per month. For me, this essentially means I’ll have to pay $10-15 more per month if I want air-conditioning during the hottest months of the summer. But it would have meant $50 more per month if I hadn’t added 2 feet of insulation in the attic a couple of years ago — insulation which, according to my utility bills, saves me at least $50 a month on my winter heating.

      This may not be a carbon tax per se, but the effect is the same — it’s motivating people to use less carbon-intensive energy.

        1. Beware greens bearing gifts
          If it wasn’t for the tinfoil hat, I’d think the carbon tax is a cunning plan by Bilderbergers. A green Trojan horse. Double whammy, extra tax revenue for governments, tax breaks for big business, and people turn against environmental causes.

    2. Grailgate
      Or should this be Katgate? Thanks by the way, Kat — I’m surprised you didn’t delete my voice messages to make room for more. 😛 To put Kat’s QotD in perspective, she posted it for the lols — and we were both laughing about what i wrote in emails. This isn’t as serious as it looks.

      Next time, just quote Mark Twain or someone, please Kat?

      [quote=Greg]… common sense post … [/quote]

      Completely agree with everything you wrote, Greg.

      [quote=Greg]So I reserve my right to not be happy with it (even if I’m not going out of my way to be a “whingy little f**ard” about it).[/quote]

      You’re one of the few Australians who does their research and makes an informed opinion. So you don’t have to fear unicorns.

      My rant was directed at the people who form their opinions based on tabloid headlines with words no bigger than two syllables. People who are herded by the spin and disinfo and lies, from both sides of the political fence. Also the people who earn over $100k, live in their McMansions, with their three-car garages, LCD LED big screen tvs in every room, holiday house and rental property investments… the people who have everything they need to live comfortable lives and pay the bills, but bitch and whinge when they get asked to contribute a little more to society as if… well, unicorns and stuff.

      Anyways, I think we’re all going to hell in a handbasket with or without a carbon tax, and both sides drive me nuts — but people who believe the lies of tabloids make me even nuttier. Watch out for unicorns! 😉

      1. It was Murdoch wot done it
        I didn’t think the quote was funny — I thought it was brilliant!

        But it’s possible my perspective was influenced by reading what feels like 100,000 web pages over the past week about the ‘News of the World phone-hacking’ & the ‘Murdoch influence on UK politics’ scandals.

        1. It’s Rebekah Brooks’s fault
          The NOTW/Murdoch snafu combined with Australian media coverage of the carbon tax contributed to my regrettable smearing of the unicorn’s noble reputation.

  4. Political warming
    I am about ready to accept global warming as fact.

    It is undeniable that temps in the northern hemisphere mysteriously rise in months April through September. There is no real reason why this would happen.

    And… even though the world’s ocean levels are not rising, glaciers are not all melting and it still snows in Canada, it seems futile to fight the concept of climate change.

    Finally, after living in the south all my life, my wife and I decided to purchased suncreen this year… and even change the filter in our air conditioning unit.

    The world, it is a-changing.

  5. “Australians are the most
    “Australians are the most spoilt, self-centred, materialistic, whiny, complaining, whingy little f**ards I’ve ever come across.”

    I have to cast serious aspersions on that claim, mate. I live in the US, and while I admire AU, there’s no way your whiny complaining f**ards are up to the same level as ours. Hell, 12 million of us are newly unemployed – and you know what that does to people’s charm.

    1. Some whinging is justified
      I can’t blame people getting angry in the States. Australia rode the GFC pretty well (thanks to a very lucky mining boom and selling everything to China). Which is why I get angry at people earning six figures complaining about a tax.

      Maybe a tax on “whingy little f*cktards”?

      1. That’s us
        Americans can be quite anally provincial when it comes to taxes. This is inherited, nurtured and then harvested generation after generation, spanning the centuries to that night when our coffee… err, tea, was dumped by a crowd masquerading as foreign investors.

        We want a robust military, decent roads, bridges, police, fire protection, garbage pick up, traffic lights, lines painted on our roads, in parking lots and sewage to drain rain water along with human waste.

        But… we hate like hell paying for it.

        The general feeling is one of distrust of our elected leadership… which leads one to wonder why we elected them to begin with.

        But, that’s us… the U-S of A… provincially anal and damned proud of it!

      2. My take on it
        My take on it, is that along (even more importantly than) a carbon tax, the Australian government should invest heavily in the development of renewable energies and other ecological solutions. Without that, you’re only punishing clients for failing to adopt measures that the market is not interested in providing in the first place.

        So here’s an advise for Murdoch who obviously is a regular reader of TDG: the easiest method to clean your image, is to donate 10 billion dollars to ecological R&D in your home nation, mate 🙂

  6. Tag – You’re IT
    Not only is our climate changing, but so is time itself.

    It was almost Tuesday before I found TDG Monday, and now on the early approach of Wednesday without Tuesday being accounted for.

    But… wait! The world has more than one time zone and those already tipping into Thursday may be working on Wednesday!

    We are thus saved by the unpredictable temporal zone of mystery, where tomorrow may be today, yesterday.

    :p

  7. BS
    Global Warming is BS and if you people paid attention to sites like http://www.WhatReallyHappened.com you’d know it.

    Plenty of quotes & links I can give later, don’t have time right now, just can’t help but post this complaint: Daily Grail ONLY posts propaganda BS when it comes to Global Warming.

    If you people think such taxes will really be used for helping the planet, you’re nuts. Concentrate on preventing oil-spills & nuclear melt-downs. Those are hurting us more than “climate change” (WHICH IS WHAT A LIVING PLANET HAS, by the way, a climate that changes, because it’s a living system and not a MACHINE).

    Disgusted with Daily Grail (not that any of you care),
    -THE END

    1. Morning glue

      “Global Warming is BS and if you people paid attention to sites like [fill in this space with website of your choice] you’d know it.”

      Speaking for myself, I really do tend to discount much of the global warming/climate change stuff simply because it generally leads back to the kind of facts that get people in trouble when talking about Big Foot and Nessie.

      But the thing is about speaking for oneself and applying your ability to reason to each item you encounter on a daily basis. There are no truth ministries that deal in absolute undeniables and no websites that have a lock-down contract on the secrets of the universe.

      The information here is, sometimes, accompanied by an opinion, but most folks are polite, well spoken and unarmed… which is big plus in this, our modern world.

      That’s my thoughts… minus a second cup of coffee, which is now overdue. That doesn’t make me dangerous… it just shuts me up before I write another paragraph.

      Have a nice day 😉

  8. oops
    Im thinking I should have kept my trap shut.

    I am fully aware that this will affect Australians in many different ways depending on individual circumstances and offer my apologies to any I have offended through my statement as none was intended.
    Having said that, it always makes me smile that even though there may be many different ways to look at the same coin, at how large a share of them can be covered in a dozen posts on a Grail thread.

    Have barely missed a days news in a decade and look forward to a decade more…..

    Cheers,
    Pete.

    1. NP
      [quote=petelyon73]Im thinking I should have kept my trap shut.

      I am fully aware that this will affect Australians in many different ways depending on individual circumstances and offer my apologies to any I have offended through my statement as none was intended.
      Having said that, it always makes me smile that even though there may be many different ways to look at the same coin, at how large a share of them can be covered in a dozen posts on a Grail thread.

      Have barely missed a days news in a decade and look forward to a decade more…..

      Cheers,
      Pete.[/quote]

      No offence taken Pete, and various points of view is the way we like it here.

      Have added your username to our ‘trusted users’ filter so that you (hopefully) won’t be faced with any anti-spam measures in future.

        1. Done
          [quote=Inannawhimsey]Any chance you can add me to that list? It seems to be random whether or not I get that anti-spam measure.[/quote]

          Whoops, not sure how I missed you – sorry about that! Have added you the list now.

      1. cheers
        much appreciated Greg,
        I cant help but feel a little guilty though now, although I’ve bought all the Darklore books I feel I should return a bit more for the years of enjoyment I have gotten from TDG however I’ve noticed the paypal link has been removed.
        Any update on a way to donate?

        Pete

        1. Working on it
          [quote=petelyon73]much appreciated Greg,
          I cant help but feel a little guilty though now, although I’ve bought all the Darklore books I feel I should return a bit more for the years of enjoyment I have gotten from TDG however I’ve noticed the paypal link has been removed.
          Any update on a way to donate?

          Pete[/quote]

          Working on it now…had to remove the PayPal button due to a change in their conditions, but it will be replaced soon.

          Cheers!

    2. Oh for Pete’s sake…

      Im thinking I should have kept my trap shut.

      Aww, don’t say that. I loved your first post! 😉

      Doesn’t anyone realize the Quote of the Day was a feeling — a momentary expression of frustration?

      Our core opinions on any issue may change very little over time, and only change substantially when new evidence points us in another direction.

      But our feelings can easily vary from moment to moment — in reaction to all sorts of things, from reading a comment thread under a news article to unusual or unexpected happenings in our lives and in the world.

      Geez, no wonder people are so reluctant to post comments. Heaven forbid we occasionally change our minds or appear to be conflicted.

  9. Well said Kat, and to
    Well said Kat, and to petelyon73 – although differing in opinion with your first post personally speaking, (and to a degree it’s tone), I’ll admit I have been lifted by your following words. From what I can gather most contributors here encourage a good, honest debate and an acceptance of differing opinions.

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