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News Briefs 27-10-2008

As Rumi said, there are wonderful shapes in rising smoke that imagination loves to watch.

Quote of the Day:

It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others.

John Andrew Holmes

  1. Call Me Dr. Doom Too.
    I’ve been telling everyone I care to that this would happen for the last 3-4 years. Learning to garden, and putting our meager savings into bullion. Left Starbucks in April, sold the remaining stock and put in a wood stove. My new job is at a year round farmers market. I figured that was a depression safe job. And they pay better then Starbucks so I’ve gained there. Please if you don’t already, have at least a weeks worth of extra food, bottled water. Also a weeks worth of cash on hand. I still believe the markets and banks will close for a week at least, and then crash again. After the election? Maybe before? My insight on this all was from working for 8 years on the Stock Options floor in Chicago, during the 80’s and early 90’s. If I could see this, why couldn’t the experts? Vote out all incumbents!

    1. Same here…
      Electrical engineer, wife is a lawyer. We bought a farm and left everything behind 4 years ago. Produce or trade 80% of our food supply. Money very seldom changes hands. No taxes or income tax to pay. We keep about a year’s worth of produce at all time. Wood burning stove, next year an ethanol distiller. I sure wouldn’t like to live in a big city condo at this time…

      1. Time
        How much time do you occupy to tend the farm and grow your food?

        And yes, that’s obviously a terrible way to draw comparisons, because I live in a very big city, buy my food at a market, and work on average 10 hours a day.

        —–
        It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
        It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

        Red Pill Junkie

        1. re:time
          Not much time at all. The farm is a grain farm. During the summer (Canadian summer…) we work about 16-18 hours a day. Winter is a few hours a day. An hour for feeding/milking the few cows we got. But for growing the fruits/veggies themselves, maybe half an hour a day at most on a yearly average, including the prep time and canning. How much money out of your 10 hour days do you spend on your food, % wise? No chemicals or GM crops here. Just interesting to hear about folks from other countries. 🙂

          1. external supplies
            Just curious, do you need external supplies to run the grain farm and the rest?

            Like fuel for machinery, occasional spare parts and such.

            —-
            It is not how fast you go
            it is when you get there.

          2. supplies
            Maybe I didn’t write it down correctly in my first post. We own a commercial operation. We live from it. We just grow or trade 80% of our food supplies, from bakeries to honey, meat, flour, oil, dairy, wood and services. We still buy all the required supplies and sell our wheat and barley. My point was on the food supply, not fuel, gas, electricity or car insurance which you still need cash to pay for. The insurance companies, governements or hydro companies aren’t going to accept a 100 lbs bag of potatoes as payment… Well, no yet anyway. Maybe when sh*t really hits the fan they’ll reconsider.

          3. oh I see
            Yes I see what you are doing. It makes sense.

            You are still living in today’s civilization, but more on the supply side of the food part of it? And you have your own supplies of what is really needed, at least for some interim period. Something like that?

            And when the agriculturally useful end product of people eating food ends up hitting the rotary air movement apparatus, car insurance is not going to be a major issue.

            Electricity, fuel and such, you may actually have something they need.

            Sorry I made this too long. I think your method is reliable for a recession of some years. Do you look at it that way?

            —-
            It is not how fast you go
            it is when you get there.

          4. a few details
            We own 2000 acres of land, we produce grain. We put up a 6 acre garden where we grow every veggies or fruits that can be grown here in Manitoba. We transform those in preserves. We trade them for other stuff. 5 tons of wheat gets me a 1000 lbs organic, antibiotic free and fresh steer (meat). We got 50 chickens so we get fresh eggs and meat. We keep 4 cows for milk/dairy for 10 months a year. A ton of flour, which I make, gets me a year’s supply of baked goods from the bakery store in town. I let a bee keeper on one of my land to park his hives, I get free honey and by products (and 15-20 stings a year), I give firewood and produce to some of my employees for free work hours. We make our own beer, this winter we’re putting up an oil press at another farmer’s place who produces oil seeds (canola, soya) so that he’ll be able to trade his oil himself at cost instead of a 1000% markup like everything else at the grocery store.

            That’s not utopia. Just a quiet rebellion against the capitalists that tell you “you need money to survive”. Not true, to some extent. It’s just a matter of living for yourself instead of living for the governement. Communal living. We got more money left in our pockets now than before we quit our high profile lives. I stopped believing in self-serving governements a long time ago. That’s just my way of pulling the finger on them…

            Sorry for being so lenghty 🙂

          5. 2000 acres per family
            You seemed to have arranged a great life for yourself Sagittarius. I mean it.

            But at 2000 acres of land per family, it doesn’t seem that all of us would able to copy it. Some of us will have to remain in cities and live in 150-200 sq. meter homes… IF we’re lucky! Nowadays it is very common to see people living in 75 sq. meters apartments, maybe even less.

            There’s too many people, and not much land for everyone.

            —–
            It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
            It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

            Red Pill Junkie

          6. You’re right RPJ
            2000 acres in Egypt or Sudan wouldn’t be of any help… But I guess we’re lucky here in Canada. Plenty of land. However, anybody can grow a certain percentage of their own food with a minimal amount of work. A 10 sq meter garden goes a long way if you’re willing to put a little elbow grease. It doesn’t have to be massive to make a big difference.

            Maybe we’re just some late sprung hippies, aka greenies, that think life can be something else than just making as much money as you can con from others on the stock market. There’s just somethig else out of life IMHO.

          7. Interesting
            I have a couple of relatives who are into farming as well. They grow oats (I think) or any other seed according to demand. They also have a few heads of cattle, but nothing big. They live in what used to be a small town in the State of Jalisco, but has grown to be a big—and ugly— little city.

            The thing is this: Whenever I go visit these folks, Two things amaze me: 1) They work more hours than I do (and of course THEIR work is much harder than mine); and 2)They’re obsessed with money.

            I mean, REALLY obsessed.

            I once asked one of them—who BTW, is now living in the US— if he liked to surf the Internet, and his reply was that whenever he went on to sit in from on a computer, all he kept thinking was how much money he was missing for not doing something else!

            So I guess my point is that, for most of the people that live in farms, having time to do other things like blogging or reading a book is really a luxury they can’t afford. Maybe under those circumstances I’m better off 🙂

            Or maybe it’s just that for my relatives, the focus in life it’s entirely different from my own. One of my cousins hasn’t finished college yet, and he’s feeling his other brothers are already leaving him behind in the money-making race! What do they do with the money? Make big parties with all their relatives, and buy big trucks. And that’s it.

            —–
            It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
            It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

            Red Pill Junkie

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