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News Briefs 18-12-2007

By Jameskeon

Only the turkeys are certain democracy does not exist. Happy holidays.

Thanks Greg

Quote of the Day:

The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do.

B.F. Skinner

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  1. Pulling a F.A.S.T. one?
    what first really strikes me about the John Lenard Walson footage is the jittery instability of these images. It isn’t wobble like you’d get looking at a penny at the bottom of a swimming pool, although his films have a bit of that too, but it’s the jumpy jitter that you’d associate with hand-held optics like binoculars.

    Now, I only have a basic Mead reflector that can only just resolve the rings of Saturn and the Great Red Spot on Jupiter, but what I see through the eyepiece is an image that drifts smooth as glass, like a beer-glass across a wet bar, slow and steady and in one direction, the direction of the earth’s rotation.

    Better scopes than mine might use motor drives, but there again, the drives are, by design, smooth and careful so as to allow for long-exposure photography; but the FAST films are real time. These objects, those among the “could they be?” category, unless they are geostationary (which requires orders of magnitude farther distance than the shuttle or the ISS) are on still other trajectories and moving very quickly — at the arc-seconds of view needed to resolve the Shuttle wings, it seems incredible that someone could aim the lens by hand without mechanical assistance, and such assistance, would it jitter like that?

    That’s one concern, and another is the questions themselves, about the ISS and the Shuttle; what need is there to ask such questions when the precise positions of these objects is public knowledge, computable to fine degree by several freely available software programs. Either it is pointing at the right location, or it is not, there’s no need for a guessing game.

    Yeah, I know, I’m probably just spoiling the fun and myth of some nifty pictures, but dig, even Hoagland had the decency to actually show us shots of the real Mars 😉

    btw, how many times will I have to please the captcha-bot before it accepts that I am, indeed, a real human?

    1. Kill the Bot!
      [quote=teledyn]btw, how many times will I have to please the captcha-bot before it accepts that I am, indeed, a real human?[/quote]

      Consider yourself de-captcha’d! Merry Xmas.

      Kind regards,
      Greg
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      You monkeys only think you’re running things

    2. Pondering FAST
      I emailed this rense link to a couple of people. One person said, ‘ I’m aware of nothing in physics that lets you extend the capabilities of small telescopes as they’re describing.’

      Here’s how they’re now extending the capabilities of large telescopes.

      “The Lucky system gathers together all the clear pictures and throws out the distortions to produce images that Dr Mackay believes are the clearest ever images from the ground.”

      No, I don’t think John is this ‘Lucky’. Here’s my theory: in essence, he’s using the same technique. I think he’s filming the same ‘spot’, at the same height (or focal length), by tracking it with his telescope over a period of time. Then he looks at the video frame by frame for anomalous changes in lightness/darkness, picks out those anomolous frames, and combines them to see if there’s something there.

      Near the bottom of the rense article it says, “In addition to discovering and refining his optical telescope videotaping technique, John has also discovered how to actually hear and record the sounds in real time coming from the particular craft he is videotaping. By carefully aligning a satellite dish receiver with his telescope, he has been able to record some very unusual and intriguing sound from the different spacecraft…”

      Apparently Jeff Rense is confused about the difference between radio signals and sounds. Another part of my theory is that John’s actually ‘listening’ for radio signals first, and then aiming his telescope at the place where he ‘hears’ something. I already suspected this before reading the rense quote above, because in one of the videos of the helicopters hovering near his house, it shows them blowing over his satellite dish. At which point I thought to myself, now why are they so interested in putting his dish out of commission, at least temporarily?

      If my theory about his technique is correct, the question is, is there actually something there, or does ‘John’ just think there is? Combinations of the most anomalous images may or may not add up to something actually being there, but from the videos, it certainly looks like there’s something there. And perhaps this technique would also account for the jitteriness you mentioned.

      >>Yeah, I know, I’m probably just spoiling the fun and myth of some nifty pictures, but dig, even Hoagland had the decency to actually show us shots of the real Mars 😉

      My take, after about 30 hours of internet searches, and reading everything I could find on him, is that, while ‘John’ is a bit of an odd duck, he’s a very sincere odd duck. Whatever these images actually are, I don’t think he’s intentionally creating a hoax — I think he believes they’re the real deal.

      1. the FAST and the furious 🙂
        Thanks for that update Kat. So, the jittering might be explained then because those videos are not actually made of “continous” frames, but only the frames that are not distorted by the heat in Earth’s atmosphere, like the jaggy effect used to create the “predator POV” in Coppola’s Dracula. Did I get it right?

        Of course, only John could give us a defintive answer. Did you happen to find any interviews of him in the web?

        As I said, I’m still intrigued, but there’s a question in my mind: if these objects are as massive as they are implied from the videos (Greg Bishop wrote that according to John they are as big or bigger than the ISS, of course since there is nothing else in frame against a pitch-black background I as an untrained observer that has no data of the methods of obtaining the videos have no way of determining any measures) why then haven’t they been reported by the astronauts of the ISS? are they in a geostationary orbit? I think a low-Earth orbit could be discarded due to the size, don’t you guys?

        —–
        It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
        It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

        Red Pill Junkie

  2. Mistery Space machines
    [quote]In addition to discovering and refining his optical telescope videotaping technique, John has also discovered how to actually hear [emphasis mine] and record the sounds in real time coming from the particular craft he is videotaping. By carefully aligning a satellite dish receiver with his telescope, he has been able to record some very unusual and intriguing sound from the different spacecraft…[/quote]

    Uhm… sounds from space? I was under impression that sound couldn’t propagate through a vacuum, or did Hollywood lie to me when they told me that “in space, no one can hear you scream”? 🙂

    Maybe sound was misinterpreted for radio transmissions or something else?

    I would like to know if this guy who has recorded all these things (or at least claimed to have done so), has managed to determine their orbits and the actual size of them. How big are they? do they stay fixed to the same orbit? have they been seen changing trajectory? Have they come close to the ISS? Too many questions, and a bunch of blurry videos help nothing to solve them.

    But I admit I’m intrigued.

    —–
    It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
    It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

    Red Pill Junkie

  3. Re: News Briefs 18-12-2007
    Jameske —

    Thanks for picking up my “How I Became Part of the UFO Conspiracy” piece. I am not sure how the UFO community will eventually rid itself of this kind of silliness, but the refusal to really think about the issue and going off into dogmatic certainty on things that can’t be substantiated can only continue to marginalize the overall subject in the eyes of the media and the general public.

    Red Pill Junkie —

    Appreciate your comment over on UFO Mystic for my “Sympathy for the (UFO) Devil” article. Naturally, it’s gratifying when other folks express agreement.

    It’s also reassuring when those who disagree with you do so in an even-handed manner, instead of getting out the lighter fluid and flaming away.

    Daniel
    The Odd Little Universe of Daniel Brenton

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