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News Briefs 24-06-2005

So much news, so little time. You lot have your work cut out for you this weekend. 😉

Quote of the Day:

You can be up to your boobies in white satin, with gardenias in your hair and no sugar cane for miles, but you can still be working on a plantation.

Billie Holiday

  1. Overwhelmed, but thankful
    If you’re up to your boobies in interesting news blurbs, with no sign of a research assistant in sight to help digest same, you’ll know it’s Friday at TDG.

  2. Quakes and causality
    There appears to be a pattern of earthquakes in California causing reports of the dangers of the New Madrid fault. Perhaps we should look at the real estate business on the west coast as the ultimate sources for these reports 😉

  3. Shocking news
    Wow that is a shocker. When ever in history did a smaller country not resent a larger country and/or wish they were as powerful? Surprising news. I’m not sure it’s ever happened before.

    1. shocking news
      Here are 2005 population figures for all the countries surveyed, except the U.S.:

      Britain: 59,889,407
      Canada: 32,050,360
      China: 1,303,458,527
      France: 60,619,718
      Germany: 82,726,188
      India: 1,094,870,677
      Indonesia: 219,307,147
      Jordan: 5,788,340
      Lebanon: 4,461,995
      the Netherlands: 16,322,583
      Pakistan: 160,166,742
      Poland: 38,133,691
      Russia: 144,003,901
      Spain: 43,435,136
      Turkey: 73,556,173

      With reference to your comment, which of these countries did you judge to have small populations? The two countries with fewer than 10 million? The six countries with fewer than 50 million? The ten countries with fewer than 100 million?

      If the smaller countries views don’t count much, I guess you can write off the good news as well:

      “Bush’s push for democracy in the Middle East has fueled optimism in Lebanon and Indonesia that prospects for representative government in that region are improving. Even in places where the United States is rated poorly — Jordan, Pakistan and Lebanon — nearly half or more of those optimistic about democracy’s prospects gave some credit to U.S. policies. ”

      If only the most populous countries’ views count for anything, this must be the really bad news:

      “In none of the nations surveyed did a majority say the overthrow of Saddam Hussein had made the world safer. In most of them — Canada, most of Europe, China and all the predominantly Muslim nations — a majority said it had made the world more dangerous.”

      Let’s see, by a conservative estimate, that means that the view that “overthrowing Hussein made the world a more dangerous place” is held by only about 918,000,000 people – and that’s only in the 15 countries other than the U.S. which were surveyed. But the way opinions typically go, you probably believe your opinions are more important than theirs.

          1. Ozzies
            >>Does the US have to be dominant because it has the power and the idealogy to do so?

            Got another suggestion for how the most powerful nation economically and militarily should go about spreading democracy – or as Greenspan calls it, democratic capitalism – to other countries? At least I think that’s the latest explanation of motivation for what the U.S. is doing. Seems like not so long ago the motive was fighting global terrorism, but even the CIA has recently said the U.S. is now creating terrorists, which I guess explains why they had to come up with the newer explanation.

            Sorry, Shadows, either way, I think you’re out of luck, because Australia only has a population of 20,507,264, so I doubt your opinion would carry much weight with Thrustbucket. 😉

            Kat

          2. you’re right
            Yes we’re a minority.
            The trouble is that centuries ago the outcome was not so dire when a dominant country tried to spead this “democratic capitalism”.
            Now the effects are bigger and much worse.

            shadows

          3. Kat,
            Kat,
            Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Most of your figures and quotes mean nothing though, because I was not reffering to population. I was reffering to global power.
            As others below have already stated, throughout history, other countries, usally ALL other countries, resent the more powerful ones. That was my point. It’s nothing new, and it will always be the case. Because of this, almost that entire article is a bit silly, as they make it sound like that is surprising-interesting news.

          4. Washing tone
            trustbucket,

            You are deadwrong ! The US has been revered and admired for a long time (by the populus), and not just as the lesser of two evils. All this has been run into the ground through arrogant policies- not only by the last adminstrations, but by those inside the multinational boardrooms aswell.

            Furthermore the internet has given people a chance to tell others that those good old days , contained plenty of dirty tricks by those so called clean and godfearing americans.

            The ‘ people’ feel betrayed, the fact that so many inside the us still have no grasp as to whats really going on and throw themselves on the ground for their lord may inspire even more arrogant behaviour to come. It certainly will flush out all the creepy opportunists to step forward to cow the flock.

            ” do unto others as you would have them do unto you “

          5. alternatives?
            Are there any examples of countries with significant wealth and power that were not dominant, and not resented? In the real world, fiction doesn’t count here, and the “ideal system” that has never been implemented doesn’t count either. I mean in practice, over the last, oh let’s say, ten thousand years. I bet you that Liechtenstein is resented by some people for its wealth, if not its power.

        1. uno, due, tres, quattro
          HI Earthling,

          What people resent the most isnt the us’s dominance, its their ignorance, their reverence for violence, their wining when struck, in short the typical attitude of a bully.

          ” do unto others as you would have them do unto you “

          1. you’re on a roll mate
            keep going Tox, you are putting words to thoughts for me and making it easier to understand why I think the way I do.

            Thanks,

            shadows

          2. Equal time
            Now that all of you have gotten in your regular yankee-bashing, let me take a few whacks at others.

            Russia resents the dominance of the US because they want to be dominant themselves.

            So does France.

            Many in the UK want their empire back.

            Germany believes they always deserved one themselves.

            Italians think they still have theirs.

            The Greeks invented civilization.

            So did Egypt.

            China invented everything, including an as-yet unequalled capability to forget inventions.

            Africans invented mankind.

            Australians did not invent beer, but they invented drinking it.

            European arrogance is sickening. And I was born european.

          3. Poor misunderstood me
            Shadows, I am trying to explain american behaviour, by pointing out that it is typical of everyone, and not particular to american psychology or politics.

            But it is also normal human behavour that people don’t want to hear a non-majority view, when they are happy having found someone to blame. Which is an interesting question by itself, quite unrelated to this particular subject.

          4. am I going nuts?
            Sorry earthling but I got the impression that by explaining America’s behaviour you were implying that it is perfectly normal which for the life of me I cannot accept.
            I don’t think you can explain that sort of behaviour at all.
            Try one more time and see if I can understand you.

            Thanks,

            shadows

          5. history
            In that case I recommend that you consider the history of empires, and of countries that tried to be empires. Consider how these empires were viewed by those outside.

            Also, study fairy tales, and if you find something like it in a description of any empire, approach it with skepticism.

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