Imam Warith D. Mohammed (1933-2008): The Passing of a Moderate Islamic Voice

"IMAM WARITH D. MOHAMMED (1933-2008): THE PASSING OF A MODERATE ISLAMIC VOICE"

By FAHIM A. KNIGHT-EL

America on September 8, 2008 this past week perhaps lost one of its most moderate and tolerant, as well prominent Islamic voices and personalities in America; in the untimely death of Imam Wallace D. Muhammad (aka Imam Warith Mohammed) , who was the next to the youngest son of the late Honorable Elijah Muhammad (1897-1975). Imam Mohammed made his transition at the age of 74 of heart disease and complications of diabetes at his Chicago home. Muhammad (Imam Warith Mohammed) was born on October 30, 1933 in Hamtramck, Michigan to Elijah and Clara Muhammad. W.D. Muhammad rejected the religious nationalism and the emphasis his Father, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad placed on Islamic Black Nationalism; referring to his father’s teaching as being un-Islamic. Some Nation of Islam historians maintain that the Nation of Islam's founder and Savior Master Wali Fard Muhammad (1877-?) instructed the Honorable Elijah Muhammad to name this son, Wallace D. Muhammad after himself. It was taught early on that Wallace D. Muhammad was prepared from birth in a somewhat special and mystical way—in which certain esoteric and Gnostic teachings and knowledge was bestowed to this so-called chosen son. He was raised in the Nation of Islam and early on began to question his father, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's theology. The younger Muhammad was expelled and excommunicated numerous times for theological insubordination. (Reference: Wallace Deen Muhammad; “As the Light Shineth From the East”). Also, more information on the Nation of Islam refer to Fahim A. Knight-EL at http://fahimknightsworld.blogspot.com/20...

Clifton E. Marsh in his book titled, "From Black Muslims to Muslims: Transition From Separatism to Islam, 1930-1980" stated, "Wallace D. Muhammad, who was accepted back into the organization during Savior's Day Convention of 1965. Wallace returned to his father and asked for forgiveness. The reinstatement didn't last very long. Wallace said, 'I was right back out. I was excommunicated three or four times and always for the same charge. I was not accepting the god image given to Fard Muhammad. After Wallace was suspended again in 1965, he remained inactive until he was readmitted in 1969. While he was suspended, the right to interact and communicate with members of his family was denied. During his suspension, he owned a book store and formed a study group called the Upliftment Society. Wallace also a welder and operated a carpet and furniture cleaning business. He was accepted back into the organization in 1969 but did not regain his Minister's status until 1974." (Reference: Clifton E. Marsh; "From Black Muslims to Muslims: Transition From Separatism to Islam, 1930-1980" pg. 113).

This writer first met Imam Mohammed (Imam Warith Mohammed) in 1975, he had just been elected by the Muhammad Royal Family and by the high Islamic officials in the Nation of Islam to succeed his father Elijah Muhammad as the new leader of Nation of Islam on February 26, 1975. C. Eric Lincoln who authored book titled, "Race, Religion and the Continuing American Dilemma" Stated, "The transition of power was neither complete nor fully successful, and while the movement did not shatter upon his (W.D. Muhammad) succession , as it was widely predicted, there was dissatisfaction, disillusion-ment, and also inevitable erosion of membership. An underdetermined segment of the Nation of Islam either drifted free from involvement or elected to follow the independent movement of Minister Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan, who succeeded Malcolm X as Elijah's chief spokesmen, become the most prominent exponent of the original teachings of Elijah Muhammad. Whatever the fortunes of Islamic Orthodoxy, Farrakhan's movement (which retained the name of the Nation of Islam) will be scarcely be affected, because for the millions of Blacks whose lot has not been measurably improved by the cosmetics of racial change. The vision of Elijah Muhammad's Nation of Islam still represents a self determined identity and tangible effort at reversal." (Reference: C. Eric Lincoln; "Race, Religion and the Continuing American Dilemma" pg. 164).

He was eventually bestowed with the title Supreme Minister and the entire Nation of Islam's hierarchy pledged their support to Wallace D. Muhammad (Imam Warith Mohammed) on that day. Reflecting back to 1975, the first time I went to hear the younger Muhammad deliver a public address (Imam Warith Mohammed) but I can not recall whether or not it was at Masjid Malcolm Shabazz in Harlem, New York or at some venue in New Jersey. This writer prior to hearing Muhammad (Imam Warith Mohammed) had heard a few Nation of Islam speakers in the past such as Minister Louis Farrakhan (minister of Temple Number 7—New York), Minister James Shabazz (minister of Temple Number 25—Newark), Minister Isaiah Kareem (minister of Temple Number 6—Baltimore), Minister Lonnie Shabazz (minister of Temple Number 4--Washington, D.C), etc., and all of them were fiery and electrifying orators possessing huge amounts of stage presence.

But when this writer heard Minister Wallace D. Muhammad, (Imam Warith Mohammed) he was sought of soft spoken and a lot less charismatic than some of the other speakers and ministers in the Nation of Islam that I was privileged to hear. This writer was accustom to seeing the Nation of Islam leaders flamboyant style and flanked by their body guards called the Fruit of Islam (FOI), but Minister Wallace D. Muhammad (Imam Warith Mohammed) did not have the flair and pomp of other high ranking profile Nation of Islam officials. He appeared to be a deeply spiritual man who was grounded in the the Holy Qur'an and the Sunna (the way of Prophet Muhammad). Muhammad's (Imam Warith Mohammed) presentation on that day could have been equated to a highly intellectual university level professor, but the monotone talk he delivered wasn't necessarily captivating, it lacked luster and delivery; however, it did appeal more to your rational and analytical faculties, as opposed to your emotional—lower self. This remained his preaching and/or teaching style his entire tenure as a Muslim leader in America. But Muhammad (Imam Warith Mohammed) also had a knack for uncovering word origins, and getting to the root of a word or concept and was a serious student of etymology. He didn't mind referring to a dictionary in order to ascertain a definition, as well as break down a word. In addition, he loved the science of epistemology. He definitely was a highly intelligent man. This writer in that area had learned a lot from Wallace D. Muhammad (Imam Warith Mohammed). (Reference: Wallace Deen Muhammad; “As the Light Shineth From the East”).

Let me inject, I did not necessarily agree with Muhammad's (Imam Warith Mohammed) social and political positions—he was for the most part apolitical and during the 1980s he openly supported the Republicans Reagan/Bush ticket and many non-Muslim African Americans viewed him as contradiction. He never seemed willing or able to attract a non-Muslim following base or sympathizers in the black community at-large beyond those who had converted to Islam and became loyal followers. Yet, he led perhaps one of the largest Ummah (Muslim Community) of non-immigrant Muslims in America of anywhere from five hundred thousand to one million Muslims, but most Americans—black and white know very little about the man and his mission.

This writer had always felt that W.D. Muhammad was entrapped in what the Dr. W.E.B Dubois referred to as "twosome"; Dr. W.E.B Dubois who authored the book "The Souls of Black Folk" describes our American predicament in a most eloquent and definitive way, he stated, "After the Egyptian and Indian, the Greek and Roman, the Teuton and Mongolian, the Negro is a sort of seventh son, born with a veil, and gifted with second-sight in this American world,--a world which yields him no true self-consciousness, but only lets him see himself through the revelation of the other world. It is a peculiar sensation, this double-consciousness, this sense of always looking at one's self through the eyes of others, of measuring one's soul by the tape of a world that looks on in amused contempt and pity. One ever feels his twoness,--an American, a Negro; two souls, two thoughts, two un-reconciled strivings; two warring ideals in one dark body, whose dogged strength alone keeps it from being torn asunder." (Reference: W.E.B Dubois; "The Souls of Black Folk").

It was this stigma that haunted Muhammad and it was a direct result of the teachings and philosophy given by his father Elijah Muhammad that he tried so desperately to escape and wanted to create an ideological, philosophical and programmatic distinction between his worldview and his father's worldview and nation of his birth. Muhammad in late 1975 began to make organizational changes in the Nation of Islam, an organization that had wore the distinction for over forty-four years as being an "unorthodox" Islamic movement in America and taught separation as one of its most essential religious planks. The young Muhammad renamed the Nation of Islam that he inherited to the World Community of Al-Islam in the West and renamed and ethnically reclassified his black followers racial and nationality identity to Bilalians, which was derived from the history of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and more specifically from the Ethiopian slave Bilal Ibn Rabah who had risen to become the first Muezzin (caller to prayer) in Islam during Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) time. (Reference: C. Eric Lincoln: “The Black Muslims in America” pg. 265).

Muhammad decentralized the organization giving each Mosque complete sovereignty to function independent of his Chicago Headquarters and appointed a Council of Imams that served as the executive board of governors over the World Community of Al- Islam in the West (today known as American Society of Muslims). Imam Mohammed at the American Muslim Mission in 1985 Tenth Anniversary celebration stated: "If you'll follow my advice, you would put down term 'American Muslim Mission (today known as American Society of Muslims).' You would put it down and never pick up any term that lumps you all together in one community. You will be members of a Muslim community international. . .you will hold your Imam accountable. You will encourage your Imam to form good relations with other Imams, not just 'black ones, but 'white ones, red ones, all colors'. . When you meet together, you won't meet together under some corporate name, but you will meet together, each Imam on equal footing." (Reference: Mustafa El-Amin: "The Religion of Islam and the Nation of Islam: What is the Difference" pg. 63.)

He tried to redefine the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's role as a mere social reformer, as opposed to being the last Messenger of Allah and denigrated the Nation of Islam's founder Wali Fard Muhammad to a mystic or magician who was using reverse psychology in the name of Islam to convert superstitious believing Christians to this new religion called Islam in the early 1930s. He sold and mortgaged off a lot of the businesses enterprises and property that Elijah Muhammad had acquired to resolve and satisfy what he described as huge outstanding and insurmountable debt, which were incurred by poor business management under his father's administration. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad from this writer's vanish point had built an estimate seventy (70) million dollar business empire and was considered a savvy businessman. (Reference: Wallace Deen Muhammad; “As the Light Shineth From the East”).

W.D. Muhammad raised the United States flag in the Mosque and openly declared his loyalty to America something his father would have never done. Muhammad established good relations with Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations and leaders. He advocated that his followers practice the Five Pillars of Islam, which included taking Shahada (confession of faith), Salat (prayer), Zakat (charity—almsgiving), Ramadan (fasting during the holy month) and Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca) in order to synchronize his organization with mainstream Islam. (Reference: Warith Deen Mohammed; “Focus on Al-Islam).

If this writer could give a summarizing of what was Imam Mohammed's core teachings and belief this perhaps would represent a fair representation. Mohammed consistently advocated. "The fundamental principals of Al-Islam are the most important things in a Muslim's life. We are not look for ways to modify the principals of Al-Islam to justify unlawful and unnatural practices. We are alter our attitudes and practices to conform to Islamic principals. . .Faith in Allah means that we believe in him and trust Him over everything else. Belief in Allah's prophets means that we accept all of His Prophets, as well as the fact that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) , the most noble and honorable of all creatures, is Allah's Last Prophet, and our leader and example, who we obey and follow. Belief in the Books that the Prophets means that we are question all books under the light of what is revealed in the Holy Qur'an. Belief in Allah's Angels means that we must seek to understand the phenomena operating between our vision of reality and the truth that Allah has revealed. Belief in the Divine Ordinance means we believe that Allah has law operating throughout creation, and in every phase of our lives, to give us the benefits of our good deeds and the consequences of our bad ones. It means we believe that we can not escape the Justice of Allah. Belief in the Day of Resurrection (Judgment Day) means we believe that this scheme of creation is on time and for a purpose. It is a training ground, a testing place where we prove ourselves worthy of reaching a higher stage in the fulfillment of our aspirations. We believe that Allah will provide a new creation where we will have an opportunity to realize the fullness of our good aspirations. Because of this, we should always have hope and we should never despair." (Reference: Mustafa El-Amin; "Al-Islam, Christianity and Freemasonry' pg.35-36.)

But he was always viewed as the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's son and many Orthodox Sunni Muslims were suspicious of his organization’s transformation and many quietly questioned his own conversion to mainstream Islam. This suspicion was part blame on his followers who accepted the man and his mission unconditionally and in some eyes, they honored him no different and/or similar to how the Muslims in the old Nation of Islam revered the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Many of his loyalist would vehemently disagree with this contention because they would like to believe that their community had evolved beyond the focus of a charismatic leadership head—to focusing only on Allah (God) and his Messenger Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (PBUH) of 1400 years ago. This writer believes this perception unjustly stigmatized Imam Mohammed and the Muslim American Movement (today known as American Society of Muslims). They were still viewed by some international Muslims and United States immigrant Muslims as the "Black Muslims" and this came about partially due to how Islam in America developed and evolved around black charismatic figureheads such as Noble Drew Ali, Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, Clarence 13X, Khallid Abdul Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan, etc. (Reference: Adib Rashad; “Elijah Muhammad and the Ideological foundation of the Nation of Islam).

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad in 1959 made Hajj—pilgrimage to the Kaaba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia (he was received as a Muslim) and he also took two of his sons, Herbert Muhammad (Jabir Muhammad) and Wallace D. Muhammad along with him to the Holy City. So, the younger Muhammad was exposed to Orthodox Sunni Islam at a very young age. Also, his youngest brother Dr. Akbar Muhammad was sent to study Islam abroad at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt and is presently a professor of Islamic studies in the Boston area. Imam Mohammed desired to bring the Nation of Islam's theology in-line with mainstream Islam, as it's taught in the East. Thus, unlike his father, he openly embraced his "Americanism" and held the United States in high regards and encouraged his followers to be part of his perceived enculturation and integrate in the whole of American life because essentially they were American Muslims not Black Muslims. This was part of his efforts to deconstruct the Nation of Islam's teachings of race and more so than that, he was subtlety conforming to mainstream Islam teachings of universalism and inclusiveness of all humanity in which the teachings of nationalism was not inline with the Holy Qur'an and teachings of Prophet Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). (Reference: Nasir Makr Hakim; editor; “The True History of Elijah Muhammad).

Dr. C. Eric Lincoln in his book titled, “The Black Muslims in America” Third Edition; Stated, “By 1985 the transition from a cosmocentric, race-based community of believers in search of Armageddon to the anonymity of unchallenged inclusion in one of the world’s great spiritual communions had be substantially completed. The tracks had been laid , the signals had been identified, the test runs had been made. Only time and experience could do more. Having set the parameters and served as exemplar for the spiritual metamorphosis of his once Lost-Found Nation, Warith Deen Muhammad was ready for recognition and reassignment. He got both, but the vote was not unanimous. International Islam rewarded him with significant responsibility for the oversight and direction of Muslim interests in the United States. Heads of state throughout the Muslim world knew of him and welcomed his presences.” (Reference: C. Eric Lincoln: “The Black Muslims in America” pg. 265).

Lincoln continues “he became a popular lecturer at schools and colleges, churches and synagogues, and before a variety organizations committed to addressing the terrors of the human predicament through interracial, interfaith, and international dialogue. In the old Nation of Islam, both Wallace and his father went to prison for refusal of military service, but on February 5, 1992, Imam Warith Deen Muhammad was invited to the Pentagon to address the elite of the American military. The very next day on the floor of the United States Senate, Imam Muhammad invoked Allah, ‘the merciful Benefactor, the Merciful Redeemer’ on behalf of ‘the President of the United States. . .every member of the Senate. . .every member of the House of Representative,’ The wheel had turned. Nation of Islam had almost come full circle.” (Reference: C. Eric Lincoln: “The Black Muslims in America” pg. 265).”

Perhaps one of the greatest ideological contributions that Imam Mohammed made was that he worked tirelessly to create dialog with the religious inter-faith community, in particular after September 11, 2001, and dialogued with Jews and Christians of different races and ethnic group trying to bring better understanding between the various faith communities. He presented himself as a voice of reason and was deeply concern about humanity and the need for moral excellence. Imam Mohammed was a true ambassador for Islam and 9/11 he had an even bigger job of ridding the false image that Islam was a radical and terrorist inspired religion that was bent on destroying the West. He worked to promote better understanding between Muslims and non-Muslims. He led a movement in the late 1970s and early 1980s called Committee to Remove All Images of Divine (C.R.A.I.D); Mohammed felt that by man giving the Divine human characteristics that all religions were sought of guilty of feeding into racial superiority and racial inferiority complexes; thus, it was essential to remove these images of the Divine in order that humanity could truly come to know one another as equal human beings.

Imam Muhammad was the glue that has held this vulnerable Muslim American Movement(today known as American Society of Muslims) together for over thirty-three (33) years and his leadership was respected for the most part within his organization and outside his organization. No, one likes to talk about a successor but this is an aging organization and the mistake of not grooming a successor always lead to infighting and eventually sectarian division. Minister Farrakhan, Minister Silis Muhammad, Jesse Jackson, etc., our so-called black leaders are aging, but are still holding on to power, as opposed to appointing their successor while they are alive to minimized organizational confusion at their death. There was a young Imam out of Newark, New Jersey named Imam Mustafa El-Amin (authored two well respected works titled, "Al-Islam, Christianity and Freemasonry" and second book titled, "Freemasonry: Ancient Egypt and the Islamic Destiny") who sought to replace Imam Mohammed as the national leader of the Muslim American Movement (today known as American Society of Muslims) due his untimely resignation from his organization a few years ago, but opposition arose from the old guard and this writer is quite sure there are those jockeying for leadership over the organization at the death of Imam Mohammed.

One must understand that not all Black American Muslims were on the same page with Imam Mohammed. Some Muslims disagreed with Wallace Muhammad's organizational transition and viewed them as an act of betrayal against his Father Elijah Muhammad and his teachings and classified him as a traitor and hypocrite. Imam Mohammed’s succession and transition into mainstream Islam eventually led to Elijah Muhammad’s House being divided into perhaps over twenty independent and sovereign groups called the Nation of Islam. The first group who broke rank was headed by Minister Silis Muhammad in 1977 called the Lost-Found Nation of Islam in the West and he heads the next to the largest group, which is led by Minster Farrakhan. Minister Louis Farrakhan who would initially become one of the most vocal and visible leaders that dissented in 1978 and abandoned W.D. Muhammad's organization and re-established the Nation of Islam's teachings as they were taught by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Minister Farrakhan began to attract a lot of those dissatisfied followers of Muhammad who felt betrayed by W.D. Muhammad's teachings. (Reference: Adib Rashad; (Islam, Black Nationalism and Slavery: A Detailed”).

At Saviour’s Day 2000 Imam Mohammed and Minister Louis Farrakhan publicly embraced each other as Muslim brothers and at least in a public way, had eased and resolved a twenty-five (25) year rift between the two Muslim leaders. This writer believes that the “cease fire” came about because the Nation of Islam since 1986 had began making baby steps toward what is deemed mainstream Islam. This writer can recall that Minister Farrakhan telephoning back to the Final Call Administration Building from the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and requested that the Nation of Islam observe the month of Ramadan with the Islamic world; this was the first step the Nation of Islam made toward mainstream Islam. This writer is more partial toward the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and think it is a mistake for the Nation of Islam to embrace Orthodox Sunni Islam and not to continue to take in account the geo-political and social dynamics of a society that has refused to even having an honest conversation relative to race that is one hundred fifty (150) years overdue. (Reference: Louis Farrakhan audio tape 1986; United Arab Emirates).

Minister Farrakhan stated at Savior's Day 1982 in speech titled, "God's Judgment on America" stated, "I didn't consult you when I stood-up. I didn't ask you for your favor. I didn't ask one of you to come, and stand with me. And if you stand with me, I will standup. No. I didn't ask none; of you nothing! I asked myself, can you continue to live and be untrue to the man (The Honorable Elijah Muhammad) who taught you and made you what you are. Can you continue to live, knowing that your brothers and sisters are going deeper into the darkness of the abyss of a decadent world; and you have the knowledge to bring them out and you refuse to stand-up. I questioned myself, and when I satisfied myself, I stood whether you were with me or not; because a man of God doesn't look for where the people are going. I know where you are headed. You are headed into hell. And I be damn, if I am going with you; I will spend my life leading you out of it." (Reference: Louis Farrakhan: Savior's Day 1982 in speech titled, "God's Judgment on America").

Many of these dissenting Nation of Islam leaders and groups had been shaped by Jim Crowism and were not ready to overlook the racial dynamic in America. Yet, our nation had definitely evolved in certain social, political and economic areas, but racism and institutionalize racism appear almost be a permanent fixture in American life. This writer did not agree with a lot of Imam Mohammed’s religious philosophy and/or his political outlook because in one way he was this great idealist and had rejected the notion that human beings could not live in peace and harmony with one another regardless of nationality, race, color, ethnicity, etc., and had a deep seated conviction for humanity that forced even me, a critic to admire and respect his level of humanity. He in many ways had freed himself from the cancerous behavior of hate and was a perfect human example of love, these qualities were admirable and worthy of emulation; his work and Islamic contribution was worthy of him being a Nobel Peace Prize recipient, but since we do live a racist, intolerable and bias society against Muslims this accolade perhaps was never a consideration.

Fahim A. Knight Chief Researcher for KEEPING IT REAL THINK TANK located in Durham, NC; our mission is to inform African Americans and all people of good will of the pending dangers that lie ahead; as well as decode the symbolisms and reinterpret the hidden meanings behind those who operate as invisible forces, but covertly rules the world. We are of the belief that an enlighten world will be better prepared to throw off the shackles of ignorance and not be willing participants for the slaughter. Our MOTTO is speaking truth to power. Fahim A. Knight can be reached at fahimknight@yahoo.com.

STAY AWAKE UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

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Fahim

Thank you for informing us about this particular Muslim. Several of the quotes you give suggest he was a wise man. Pity there are not more like him.

The only other comment I wish to make is based upon what you said he tried to do to the American Muslims and their organisation of the mosques, and the independence of the Imams.

I can understand why this was done, however, I have also looked at other religions over the centuries and would give a word of caution.

Whilst in most religions, the local priest/iman/rabbi has some autonomy with regards "teaching their flocks" about the religion and its tenents, there is nevertheless a basic teaching that should never be amended. Unfortunately, many religions have done that over the centuries, and what we end up with is something that is totally different to what was there at the beginning, and this often shows in a contradictory form to the original core tenet/belief. This has certainly happened with Christianity, and Judaism, and looks as if it is happening in Islam today. For example, the comment made by the Pakistan President when he visited an English Mosque was that the Imams in these mosques were dangerous. He refused to visit an English mosque again. To him the teaching made there was opposite to that of his own country.

In this instance it would seem that giving the Imams individual control can result in them leading their supporters in a direction away from the original belief system. If they want to follow a different path such as this then should become a different religion. This is why so many religions have sub groups: in Christianity you have Roman Catholics, Church of England, Methodists, Reformists, Church of Latter Day Saints, to name but a few. Each has a different way of believing in Christianity, and these beliefs differ so much that they call themselves by the differences not the similarities, in other words, a Catholic, rather than a Christian!

I believe there are many good people in the world, but because they are so good they tend to also be trusting souls and as such can be easily duped by those who want to do harm.

Please think about what I have said, but please also realise that I do appreciate the information you have given about this man. The least it has done is opened my eyes to the way Muslims in America follow and worship in their daily beliefs. Thank you for that.

Carol A Noble

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Carol has said all she needed very well.
What I will say about religions, and I mean all of them, is the only ones that have radical movements, distruction,death and terror are the ones that live their religion from birth.....they are programed and indocrinated into it.....this is not good. These kids have no way of making an objective decision about the faith they must believe in. Natually they will grow up screwed in the head..(note:not all are as I stated, but not all of certain religions are radicals)...The choice of faith and or religion should be given to well informed educated people not brainwashed into them as a way of life with no other choices.
The Catholic religion is a perfect example. Islam is another.
If the faith is strong and the religion good, then the people will willingly participate.

Something to think about.

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.

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Perhaps a postcript is in order here. First of all it's Carloz and not Carol. It's not she but he. No harm taken but for the sake of accuracy.

Thank you for your healthy comments but I would still disagree with you in respect to religion. Once again I say this only in the spirit of debate and not to antagonise anyone. But history goes against your observation. The moment you put a dogma or faith on anything you will invite trouble. There is no such thing a non-violent faith. There are inspired books and inspired teachers. You can tell an inspired work because it is cogent on some deep level. But you alone should test this, you need to trust yourself. You can tell an inspired teacher s/he wants no part of religion or churches being installed on his behalf. Jesus revealed that we would do greater things than he did. The Buddha said in the Sutras ' Hey what I've discovered works for me, why don't you try it and do better than me. These inspired teachers were always inviting us to test their works and not to act on face value nor faith.It was only five hundred years ago that one of the largest faiths claimed that women have no soul. The Tibetans have a despot as their spiritual leader at this moment who suddenly sees it fit to degenerate one of their own symbolic gods and punish his own people. Shall I continue. And off course the most glaring evidence of the contaminated works of religion is that their all patriarchal. They got rid of females and have got them second rate jobs as cheerleaders.Perhaps I should change my name to Carol and start my own religion.

Namaste Brother

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well, hell, you did sign as Carol N Nobel.......I never mentioned gender either......I am sorry though, I read the first few lines and thought,"hell, has this person got their head in the sand." Take a good look at history and then around your neigbourhood and what you see on tele and the news and then tell me I was mistaken.
The thing with JC is no one understood what he meant. Buddha said very similar but instead of people taking it onboard they thought they needed to worship these bringers of understanding. It all fell apart. Religions were hijacked and used to confuse and control. Quiet frankly, I have no idea why you would disagree with anything I said.
Your saying the same stuff with different words.......

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.

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The future of The Nation has never been determined by the appointment of successors, or an electoral process, or any other means whereby one could know that a certain person is to take leadership next. To my understanding, the leadership is a divine appointment that has nothing to do with you or me as it is a (spiritual) matter of Allah's own doing. Warith, Mr.Muhammad, and Minister Farrakhan all have fulfilled divine scripture and others will come along in the future to do the same thing.

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I've had the opportunity to read some of the blogs you've entered in DG and quite frankly I find them a bit disturbing. I say this with as much warmth as I can muster because you strike me as a very idealistic and intelligent person. To begin with your mission statement ask to awaken African Americans and all people of good will. An invitation to to rise against the invisible forces. On that point I don't disagree. It is your method like many of today's approach which concerns me. As with any group identifies with a mission statement it carries the symbolisms, beliefs of sorts that at some point will no longer be valid in lifes ever changing dynamic presence. Then it becomes dangerous.

Let me tell you a little bit about myself and some thoughts I would like to share with you. The one thing I have noted about ourselves as humans beings. Is that we may love someone in the morning but by that same afternoon we may want to kill that same person. Sadly we have the predilection to governed by an odd dualistic coin. To our credit it swings predominantly towards love. As a species we have come a long way to understand our environs and as individuals I would assert that we all have a very strong capacity to love. Truly that love is imposingly powerful when it is allowed to blossom. Having said that,this is not a lecture from the pulpit but just a reminder. That good is inherent in us all, it is our inheritance. Yet if for argument sake there were some mischievous entity that was aware that by changing our conditions we could be manipulated away from this. What a time that entity would have. Let us call this mischievous entity your invisible force then so we are in common ground.

About me. I was born in an Asian country to a family of colonial whites who's ancestors came to that country to better educate the natives whether they liked it or not and introduce them to their way of life, brand of religion and off course whilst there profit on the land. It's pretty much the same old story not exclusive to one particular race or color as far as history tells it. Anyway not much long after that as time goes another white race, the american race came to rescue the natives of this land from another invading race. To liberate them so to speak. I was born in this country in a reasonably comfortable middle class existence but a very short distance away circumstances were totally different. People lived in tin huts some ten feet away from railway tracks under squalid conditions. I was about ten years of age and the children there were my playmates and I did not know there was supposed to be this distinction between ourselves. I was to discover that sometime later. As my parents never discouraged nor encourage this it was the norm for me. Occasionally I would go to our local food store pick up some bags of potatoes sugar and bread and with my little wheelbarrow take it to my friends. Off course I couldn't exactly satisfy the needs of an entire village of displaced people with my budget so I opted to just my close playmates. Eventually a hard lessons came my way. That lesson came in the shape of my beloved german shepherd who one day disappeared. I went running to a local hangout already knowing what to expect but couldn't really prepare myself when I found my dog being cooked and eaten on a spit. I was very angry at the time but I understood it was late in the afternoon and I wanted to kill them. By morning anger abated and I loved them again. This was my boyhood in short as a white boy who was asian and never saw that as being unusual at all. These so called colored distinctions never entered my sphere of thought till years later. You could say that conditions introduced them to me. When I was about 13 years old I was standing outside a music store looking at some guitars when there was this loud explosion. I crouched in horror and discovered that it was a molotov cocktail thrown from a passing car and fortunately for me it struck a nearby light pole missing me entirely. Some people nearby ran over to see if I was okay and when I spoke to them in our shared native tongue.They responded by saying “ Friend sorry about that they thought you were an American don't go out at night.” What I wasn't aware of was the current political mood or that the time had come. My asian brothers wanted their independence from the whites who had overstayed their welcome. So you see there was a dilemma here for me as I was considered one of the white folk. And clearly it wasn't a white or dark persons issue. It was an exasperating birthing of freedom with the wrong tools used again. Some two weeks later I was attacked again in broad daylight for talking to a young girl and was told that brother hired someone to beat up on me because I was a white boy. So now the dualistic coin flipped again as it always does and when served with the right conditions by the mischievous one's you have separation. At this point my folks thought it would be wise if we left our country and we made a new home in the whiter part of the southern hemisphere. There was no significant changes here as far as I could see ? Things were still a bit confusing for me. I still thought I was an Asian but my new white friends thought I was a particular european white being of spanish descent and that in itself took some unusual turn of events. They felt this need that in order for me to be fully embraced I should change my name from carlos to a nice anglo name like charles. I didn't go along with that. Okay I guess I better get to the point now which is about your essay.

Your discourses though they carry much intellectually weight have no heart. I find myself stooping in rather defensive position when I read them they feel heavy as if being delivered by a thousand sword wielding horseman ready to behead me. The American people are just like any other race and do not need the level of information you are foisting to glean that there is something wrong. They know believe me they know. The whole world knows. They are a kind God loving race that want peace. We are all on the same rocky boat. You cannot guide them by separating yourself from them.

Here's a question for you. Ask any group of people in any part of the world if they wish to go to war ? I'm sure that you would get a resounding no. Ask them in the morning or the evening and it will always be a no. And yet history tells a different story. That we are constantly at war and so it obviously has to be at the behest of a very small group. It can't be any clearer than that a very small invisible group. Ah! Here is the invisible force you speak of. Do they foment wars ? Absolutely. You don't have to be too intelligent to glean that wars make certain groups extremely wealthy. That particularly small group will not love you in the morning nor will they love you in the afternoon. They discovered something a long time ago that if they create two flags you can let one group fight the other. If you create two religions you can let one fight the other. It's a simple recipe and it works. Should I say its still working. So whoever they are they appear to be totally different from us. So though you think you are offering a solution your part of the problem now. Why is that ? Because you speak on behalf of the African American and all people of good will. You have divided yourself which is exactly what they want. You have defined yourself as being part of a small minority that wishes to enlighten the large uninformed majority. You've sliced yourself away from the majority with your ideals. The next group will do the same with their mission statement and the next thing you know we've got ourselves in a real dialectical pickle exactly were they want us to be. It's bad enough that these invisible forces are one step ahead creating this climate but that some of us are aiding and abetting them. Your mission statement accuses the rest of the world of not seeing things the way you do. I'm say this with all care and due respect not to divide my thoughts from your thoughts. I believe we are all good and have always been good. I believe someone in the distant past dropped one of the O's in good and created various religions. Don't you find it out odd that wars are fought in the name of God. To this day and age we are still not asking this simple question why are killing in the name of God ?

Best Wishes to You

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Carloz wrote:

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You have divided yourself which is exactly what they want.
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This and the paragraph surrounding it are a most important point. While I don't believe in the secret forces as Fahim
describes them, that is not relevant here.

What is relevant is that when we fight against a problem we do not fall into action that makes the problem worse. In this case, the problem that Charloz aptly describes, and that is one of Fahim's major concerns, is division.

And it is easy to fight against division so hard that we deepen it.

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I am following this discourse and perhaps I will be giving a more complete response to some of my critics on this thread in the very near future. I am actually tied up with another project at the time. But I must say the dialog is most interesting.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

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Carolz, I want to first thank you for sharing some of your background information with us on TDG and I appreciate your honesty. However, there were much in your commentary that I disagreed with, but my disagreement will be more of a position explanation.

However, I must say your assessment and evaluation of me and my writings and philosophical thoughts was done in a historical vacuum (my worldview can not be separated from the collective black experience) and it easy to automatically render this type of analysis as being flawed because they often lack an historical overview relative to the African American experience. Thus, either they do not understand its relevance or are totally ignorant of the psychological barriers that was created for 310 years.

Perhaps in a most unique way; you cited some of your personal history and experiences as the armament to delving into the many social, political and economic issues, which extends to the society-at large. Thus, I am often required by whites to explain why many of my blog topics have a racial theme, but you were very methodical in your words and phrasing not to make race the primary intent of your disagreement with me and I must say your approach allows us to have sensible and reasonable conversation.

Yet your analysis was rooted in a racial paradigm, which you told through the dynamics of a firsthand experience of being a victim of racism (your example was more of an individual or small group to suffer racial injustice) relative to growing up in an Asian country and being in the racial minority as a Caucasian.

You further cited some of those acts of racism and discrimination that you personally had experienced and it is difficult to argue against one’s personal testimony. So I will not make any attempt to minimize or try to discredit your experiences, but I read your comments with the highest level of being open-minded and with objectivity, because right off the back I did detected a level of humanity. Although, you strategically used your experiences to be somewhat critical of my experiences and worldview.

Our lack of spiritual development towards accepting and embracing the whole of humanity in all of its cultures expressions; renders us inheritably flawed in the spirit of human compassion and tolerance for all. The failure and unwillingness to make an attempt to comprehend and appreciate the beauty and the differences in people’s—color, language, race, religious belief, nationality, etc., have placed humanity on a reckless, as well as dangerous social path;

The Keeping it Real Think Tank evolved out of a group of African Americans who desired to give back to the black community and to make a difference. It was not established with the intent to divide or preclude others, but since our experience and sojourn in America; there are some unique problems that was created and still lingers in 2009.

The major problem is that African Americans were systematically made blind, deaf and dumb to the knowledge of self and we have a specific need to be enlightened or made informed. So we cover issues that will stimulate thought and at the same time convey history and ideals that the mainstream media does not cover. We included the statement in our Mission Statement of embracing all people of goodwill. I think that statement is self explanatory.

Many African Americans have become intoxicated off the propaganda given by the corporate media. I make every attempt to convey and explain to people that the African American (meaning Africans ancestral who survived Chattel Slavery) experience evolved out of American style racism and it has been this historical dynamic that has shaped the political, social and economic systems of America, past and present.

It has been to a larger extent, my personal socialization and it wasn’t necessarily anything I or other African Americans did, but the American system is inextricably tied to the pathology of racism.

The study of history develops the springs and motives of human actions. History serves, as much more than the study of dates and past events, but as a bridging of generational legacies that is passed on to the next generation for safekeeping and cultural empowerment. The ability of a people to recall their history allows them to experience in some instances, perhaps the un-experienced, but lead us towards the recognition, understanding and acceptance of the importance of past cultures and societies having the need to leave a written record, which not only chronicle prior events, persons and dates. But layout a road map of how these variables of yesterday will come to help shape our present day traditions, values, mores, folkways, customs, etc., perhaps even has the unwritten ability tell us more about ourselves and the future.

This is not to imply and/or suggest that our nation hasn’t made tremendous progress in the area of race relations, but there is still a lot of work to be done in 2009. Yes, we have elected a black man, President Barack Obama to the highest office in this country and this is undeniable a great achievement (some would naively argue that his appointment has totally equalized the playing field).

Thus, to be in denial of this human tragedy gets us nowhere. Let me give you some examples, being white will always allow you the ability to blend into the dominant culture of a society like America or Europe where race and privilege is insulating to whites and is condemning of non-whites. Our society had transitioned from a democracy to a Pigmentocracy where rewards and privileges were granted based on race and skin color.
Here is another example, a Jew does not have to disclosed his religion, but he often can integrate into the WASP society and become apart of the dominant culture and many instances go virtually unnoticed (his Jewish heritage at times is absolved into being a member of the white race). But blacks on the large scale do have the luxury to disguise their racial identity Many whites will immediately try to dismiss these comments as a cry of victimization and miss the need for a true national dialog relative to race and racism.

It also created a false psychological model that of institutionalized white supremacy and black inferiority—this was systemic and you can not overlook the massive collateral damage. This 450 year old social dilemma has left a lot of social scars because it literally devastated a people robbing them of their humanity by stripping them of their land, language, names, religion, folkways, mores, norms, values, etc. It (the Transatlantic Slave Trade and Middle Passage) robbed tens of millions of Africans of a culture and a historical reference point. No other people on the planet perhaps other than the Native Americans have suffered such an injustice; this went on for 310 years.

Here is something that I wrote as a response to a blogger on TDG some months ago and find these comments relevant to this discussion as well:

I was raised in a racist society and no doubt, I was affected by the social and psychological implications of such. I think you (Red Pill) or Carol Nobles did a piece a few weeks ago dealing with culture and "Learned Behavior" in which we all are by-products of certain cultural socialization experiences as human beings and you talked about, do we or can we undo learned behavior. Race—which translated into racism has been very much apart of my experience as an individual and part of my collective experience in general, as an African American. My grandfather was born around 1905 in Georgia (I can not imagine what he and my grandmother had to contend with during that time in history being black in America) he was a farmer by trade and profession, which he worked his way up from sharecropping, eventually saving enough money to purchase land from a white landowner in Georgia.

My Father and mother were also born in Georgia during the height of the Jim Crow era and my mother and her siblings were forced out of economic necessity to work on my grandfather's farm; schooling was only a secondary option. My mother loved learning and had a natural ability when it came to intelligence. But being born in a culture of racism this impacted how her schooling would play out; I believe her ultimate potential will always remain unknown. She could have earned a Doctorate Degree or earned Medical Doctor's Degree or had become a scientist of sought. She is a highly literate woman, but was only allowed to complete the tenth grade of schooling but she was able help me with all my school work from first grade to the twelfth.

Perhaps maybe some on the TDG family have not read the history of the African American experience, but for many years it was unlawful for a black person to be caught reading and learning—learning could have gotten you killed. So I am a by-product of my ancestral experience. I believe education is a fundamental right for all human beings and I have been very passionate about education for many years.

Thus, at times I have been accused on this site of espousing, I guess "black supremacy" ideas, but my individual experience and our (African Americans) collective experience have shaped me and to a large degree my worldview. However, I reject any and all forms of racism. I truly understood Michelle Obama's comments of her feeling good about being an American for the first time. The hypocritical patriots jumped all over her for making that statement. For us, it is what is.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

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Thank you for your response, I did not expect you to entirely agree with my comments. Your quite correct in saying that my response was as a result of your personal or collective black overview. And it would be impolite for me to say that I was in any way capable of grasping what the collective black experience has been and still is for you. My comments were not set out as a political agenda in any way to slur you or your ideals. I cited my personal history only to meet you half way with some points of reference only so we could engage in healthy dialogue. I also was trying to show you that I have shed my personal past so I could embrace a new future. You may think that I do not have the same depth as your world view because instances you always cite. When I empathise with you or for anyone for that matter I carry the shame of world history so with that all humanity. That way I cannot be accused of having a restricted worldview. After all we could chat about man's inhumanity to man for ours. To me my past is just that a past. What can I do now for the present ? I had the good fortune of growing in an environment where there were many cultures. American negroes, Iranians, Chinese,Malays and of course the many faiths that came with that mixture. I truly did not want to get into any particular debate with you but rather to alert you that the corpus of your works and all your good intention maybe ignored or obsolete because it is far to robust if I may call it that. If you want to reach people at their level you must somehow meet them at theirs. You said so yourself that many readers on this site have accused you of espousing, black supremacy. I suggest to you that it may have to do with your writing and I mean that in the nicest possible way. The years of history and pain still leeches out and if I'm not being to rude you must allow that to heal. Expose your personal strength and just speak with your heart. I frankly have no issues with any race whatsoever. At no time did I strategically use my experiences to be somewhat critical of your experiences and worldview. I merely am pointing out that you are already preaching to the converted with the DG readers. The people I've encountered thus far are of inquiring nature. I wish you well in your endeavors and trust you attain all the goals that you have set out in life.

Cheers
Carloz

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Carloz, thank you for your reply; I understand where you are in space and time. Your advice is well received, but I guess, perhaps we all are forever growing and evolving in our worldview and our humanity. I have always been open to critique and through our experiences hopefully this will lead us to come to certain reasonable conclusions. Thus, this is not an egotistical statement or an arrogant position, but I think what could alter the path that I have chosen will be seeing our society truly make some real social and political transitions beyond the superficial. Also, seeing African Americans move beyond their marginalized social status.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

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funny how you said to awaken all people of good will. I left a bit out....these hidden forces that control the world ARE the very same forces that started religion to keep people separated and in dispute....why? for control ofcorse. The oldest and still the best way to concure is to divide and concure........
Lets all shed our religious and racial shackles and become one race of wonderful human beings.
Just think what we could achieve in a world of no conflick.

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.