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Droning On

The last few weeks has seen continued promotion of the ‘Caret Dragonfly Drones’ by Whitley Strieber and Linda Moulton Howe. This case is such an overblown pile of rubbish, with handy helpings of “will to believe” thrown in. And yet Whitley Strieber continues to say things like:

Last summer, the so called “drones” appeared. Linda Moulton Howe and I soon confirmed that the photographs were real, both by what photo analysis could done, and by numerous interviews with witnesses, many of whom were willing to go on the record with their names…

…Then there were the Carat documents. These were furiously rebutted on the internet, but when I suggested that somebody create similar images, nobody responded. The reason that they did not respond is contained in a comment made by an engineer, Michael A. Reed of Reed Development Associates, who recently looked at them at Linda Howe’s request. He commented, “the things are so complex, they are a little mind boggling!”

Now, it’s a simple fact that both the photos, and most especially the ‘Carat documents’, are easily reproducible with today’s technology. Indeed, people have even created realistic CG films of the Drones based only on the photos, and the documents look pretty much like they are based on in the same genre as any of the “tech brushes” used in Photoshop. But Whitley Strieber has more:

I am leading in with all this because the purpose of these lies, and of the process now going on in England, where people are entering crop circles and secretly damaging them to make them appear manmade, have a purpose. It is the opposite of what I am going to be talking about here today.

…Last summer, when I read in the Carat documents the amazing concept of “self-activating software,” I knew immediately that this is exactly what the crop circles are.

Now, I’m all for open minded thinking and speculation, it’s one of the primary factors behind TDG. But with speculation should come caution and caveats, and a large dose of humour as well. Whitley Strieber is going down a very dark road here – hand in hand with Linda Moulton Howe. What is worse, because of their influential position in the ‘UFO community’ (the general public that is, not the research community), they are taking others with them, misleading members of the public who don’t know any better. Not to mention dragging the reputation of serious researchers into the UFO mystery down with them.

With all respect to Whitley Strieber for his previous work and writing, and Linda Moulton Howe for other aspects of her research, both should be marginalised by the community until they can show more responsibility in their words and actions. Not likely to happen, but that’s two cents. At least others are starting to call them out as well.

And as I mentioned in a comment elsewhere on TDG, it’s really interesting to view the Drone fiasco through the lens of Vallee’s Messengers of Deception, after having to spend plenty of time editing and re-reading it over the past few months…

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  1. question
    Greg–are you suggesting that because the drone photos can be reproduced using modern technology that somehow proves the accounts (and existing photos) are phony? I’m not coming down on either side of the fence regarding this particular discussion–the jury is out, far as I’m concerned–just trying to catch the gist of your argument here. As you well know, one of the well-worn tactics of the arch-debunkers has always been to say that if you can in any way reproduce the appearance of a phenomenon using conventional means, that somehow de-mystifies/debunks the original phenomenon–but that’s a very dark road, too… 😉

    Ray G.

    1. *sniff*
      [quote=jupiter.enteract]Greg–are you suggesting that because the drone photos can be reproduced using modern technology that somehow proves the accounts (and existing photos) are phony? I’m not coming down on either side of the fence regarding this particular discussion–the jury is out, far as I’m concerned–just trying to catch the gist of your argument here.[/quote]

      Hi Ray,

      No, I’m saying it’s a hoax because the whole thing stinks of it. The very start of it all signals it – the original few witnesses sighted an amazing craft, with strange alien glyphs written on its underside, seemingly levitating, and who did they contact? The Air Force? The Department of Homeland Security? The Police? Nope – Coast to Coast AM and Linda Moulton Howe.

      Huge red lights flashing and sirens blaring, and we’re not even out of the first act.

      Kind regards,
      Greg
      ——————————————-
      You monkeys only think you’re running things

    2. To be clear…
      Just to be clear…

      I have no problems with people being interested in the ‘Drones’. I do have a problem with it being presented as some ‘done deal’, and the way in which the situation is being manipulated.

      Kind regards,
      Greg
      ——————————————-
      You monkeys only think you’re running things

      1. Droning on
        I’m completely with Greg on this one. It’s Whitley’s attitude I’m most disappointed with, he’s lost a lot of respect in my eyes. The “if you don’t see it’s real then you’re a brainwashed fool who is dooming humanity” tone really irks me. Especially in regards to the CARAT documents, which can easily be created using Adobe Photoshop, InDesign, and many other programs. A DJ recreated the CARAT documents and drones for a music video posted on TDG last year — is Whitley unaware of it, or did he conveniently ignore it?

        As I said, I’m getting more than a little tired of Whitley’s tone. I highly respect him for Communion and his contribution to UFO/alien abduction phenomena, but this drone business is really going to lose Whitley a lot of respect, and bring the whole subject of UFOs/ET down with him. It’s muddying already murky waters.

        Is Whitley’s drone drama ploy to gain new subscribers? I hate being this cynical, but his droning on demands healthy skepticism.

        1. I agree
          In the past Strieber has made mistakes with what he originally thought was conclusive evidence (e.g. the 1996 “malfunctioning UFO” video from Mexico, proven to be a hoax), so it wouldn’t surprise me if he will have to eat these new words of his too in the future.

          And I don’t understand why he is so infatuated with the CARAT documents, when even if the drone photos were true, that sure doesn’t prove these documents—and the story behind them—are also true.

          But I’ll say this: It doesn’t hurt anyone to do what he suggests regarding the crop circles; that is, to do meditation exercises and visualizing the images of the crop circles in your head. Of course, you obviously don’t have to susbscribe to his website to do this, there are plenty of places on the web where you can get the images for free. Maybe it will bring interesting results, who knows?

          PS: What’s your take on the drawing he made of an image that was imprinted on his mind? I really can’t discern it.

          —–
          It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
          It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

          Red Pill Junkie

          1. my take
            I’d say it’s a dead-ringer for the ‘paths of totality’ diagram as shown just over half way down this page.

            The crop circle, in which context the eclipse diagram occurs, was reported June 9th, but I don’t know when the diagram was uploaded.

            Whitley’s post (and his reported vision/drawing) was on June 13th.

            It’s interesting that Whitley states: ‘This was not a crop circle, at least, not one I have ever seen pictured, but it could certainly be one.’

            What to make of that?

            ——

            I don’t believe in belief!

            Perceval

          2. Interesting
            Many thanks for the follow-up Perceval 🙂

            —–
            It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
            It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

            Red Pill Junkie

  2. of course Bro. Whitley would
    of course Bro. Whitley would spout this, he was selected by Uncle Guvvie for that implant simply because he was the perfect candidate for disseminating misinformation. Whitley and his croonies are valuable tools in this smoke and mirrors psyop, along with Hollyborg and all those “retired” military career men revealing details about “seeing UFO’s”. The agenda is distraction and priming us for a terrifying false close encounter.

    or maybe not, but it sure would make a good piece of fiction :p

  3. This isn’t good
    Well Whitley Strieber and Linda Moulton Howe are off my list of credible people to read. Whitley Strieber was pretty much on the edge already with his proclamations and unverifiable statements.

    In my opinion the drones are 100% fluff and viral and there has not been one shred of evidence other than anonymous and circumstantial evidence. I too am reading Jacques Vallee’s, “Messengers of Deception” (thank you Daily Grail Publishing :-)) and his points should not be taken lightly.

    There is a desire in many people to believe in extraterrestrials. It is just as absurd to believe based on flimsy circumstantial evidence as it is to not believe in the face of credible information. This is flimsy at best, and I don’t know if he is pushing it forward because he has nothing else to write about or what. But for me, he is now in the cast of many who do not actually study the topic but who take advantage of it.

    Jacques Vallee points out another issue about UFO cults, contactees, and UFO movements. After years of research, he feels that they are somehow intertwined with the UFO phenomena. So keep a clear head when you read semi-factual or individually-experienced concepts such as what Whitley Strieber is saying. Asking for hard evidence and proof is NOT disbelief. It is the reaction of a sane person who wants to be sure they see reality and doesn’t want to be faked into believing what someone wants you to believe. Don’t fill in the blank spaces with what you think should be there. Wait for verified backed up facts before you truly believe.

    /sarcasm on

    Oh and I was waking up this morning and was looking out my window and I saw a drone! OMG! Wait…no…it was just a tree branch…or a bird…or a cloud…or a bag in the wind…or an airplane…or dust in my eye…or my imagination…or my need to write a story on my blog…or…

    /sarcasm off

  4. maybe yes, maybe no…
    While I can agree that there is likely “high fakery” involved in both the drones and those CARET docs, there isn’t much evidence for either outcome, and I, for one, do not feel that there will be a resolution.

    I would like someone to point to the vast repository of “real” UFO photos, you know, the one every one agrees are genuuuuwwwinnne alien space craft…or reverse engineered tech, or trans-parallel wingnut transporters. So what do these things really look like, if in fact, they are physical craft? Giant bottle openers? Why not, flying discs are so 1950’s

    In the end, I do feel for Whitley. He has always stuck his neck out, regardless of what other people thought, so that I can respect.

  5. Strieber == Randi
    Strieber is, just like Randi, first and foremost a commercial entertainer. They make their living getting people to pay attention to them.

    The fact is supported by their use of logical fallacy to attempt to promote themselves as authorities. To wit:

    “…Then there were the Carat documents. These were furiously rebutted on the internet, but when I suggested that somebody create similar images, nobody responded.”

    Randi similarly uses the lack of winners of the James Randi Educational Foundations $1M challenge as evidence of his correctness.

    Both make the same mistake — they claim that lack of response means that they are correct in their assertions. It is far more probable that most of not all of the serious researchers in their respective purported “fields” (ie. paranormal inquiry, not entertainment) do not take them or their assertions seriously, and so do not respond. Of course, if your livelihood depends on getting people to pay attention to you, what else can you do when people don’t pay attention to you but claim that people not paying attention to you is proof that people should pay attention to you?

    Look around for other examples, such as Dawkins, for yourself. There’s enough of them that Penn and Teller could do an entire episode of “Bullshit!” on the subject. They probably would consider it, except they’re fans of Randi’s (I mean his magic tricks, not the other “Bullshit!”).

    No, I am not the brain specialist…..
    YES. Yes I AM the brain specialist.

    1. another bad assumption
      Another bad assumption is that US$1 million is an interesting amount for the people that Randi is challenging.

      —-
      The large print giveth,
      The small print taketh away.

  6. “At least others are starting to call them out as well.”
    RE: “At least others are starting to call them out as well.”

    I feel exactly the same way and not before time!! I’ve been pretty much alone as the voice of reason in the Blogosphere for quite a while now…..

    LMH/Drone Timeline
    http://tinyurl.com/6f9tng

    Whitley Strieber/Drones
    http://tinyurl.com/5hfa9a

    Keep up the great work.

    Cheers,
    Michael.

    1. Doh!
      [quote=DrDil]RE: “At least others are starting to call them out as well.”

      I feel exactly the same way and not before time!! I’ve been pretty much alone as the voice of reason in the Blogosphere for quite a while now…..

      Whitley Strieber/Drones
      http://tinyurl.com/5hfa9a
      [/quote]

      Ah! Funnily enough, that line you quoted above was actually supposed to link to your June UFO Blog entry on Strieber and the Drones. I was wondering why you reposted the link, then realised I had mistakenly put the Messengers of Deception link on that line.

      Have fixed now. Good info, thanks Michael.

      Kind regards,
      Greg
      ——————————————-
      You monkeys only think you’re running things

    2. Study material
      Many researchers discount the drone matter to the point where it seems there is very little perception in their points to the intriguing aspects of this case. Without serious observation and critical unbiased research this matter is far from concluded as a hoax. http://droneteam.com is a source for the current research regarding this case.

      1. The Whole Story (yeah right…)
        The “DRT” appears to be nothing but the non-accredited/recognized online outlet for Streiber and Howe, the reader is well advised to take that for EXACTLY what it is. LOL

        The REAL WHOLE STORY is here: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread289007/pg1

        There are several hundred pages and thousands of posts that cover the better part of the year or so since “Isaac” created his phony documents.

        Several world class experts in various fields have posted in this thread as well, and to a person, they all agree the images and the “science” are pure BOLLOCKS.

        When you combine the facts that the only “evidence” is nothing but hoaxed CGI images, the witnesses are non-existent and the ONLY people still supporting this drek are those who need to keep it going for their businesses… it IS a wonder that any thinking person would consider this anything more than what it is… CRAP.

        Springer…

  7. Drone Moans
    Fabulous article with terrific insight and research. Its amazing how a majority of these things seem to follow the seasons and business cycles. This seems to be like a christmas season where new wares are brung out and tested. The drones were no exception. Here the promoters LMH and Strieber and c2c, their usual venue, continue this charade. Despite one of them calling themselves a journalistic investigator, testing the boundaries of ethical behaviour, by witholding information on the key players, giving the illusion she had contact with witnesses when there was none as she portrayed, withloding photographic evidence, She got away with it because after all,.. its entertainment and.. its ufology.
    why should we dare ask for more? Another thing, Whitley quietly signed a movie contract for his movie 2012 on June 15th, 2007 (see us copyright office records). Its an important item because whitley has pushed visions of the drone, an expert witness for LMH , and an avowed fan of Whitley, created a document in July 2007 tying in nicely all the lovely things of circles,
    http://ovnis-usa.com/DIVERS/A-Reyes-CARET_Language_Research%20V00.pdf
    [You may have to copy n paste or you will go to home page and not the PDF]
    Another Cropcircle authority (sherwood no less)also putup a page and quickly took it down. While you are there make sure to stop and sample the many fine oils, crafts, dvds, and tours.
    http://rajon.com/cropcircles/html/design_programming.html
    But the PDF Reyes quoting as reference of course none other than : LMH and her crop circle books. Of course, the same person who “found” this document is a member of the DRT and was also a member of that Arthur Reyes research group, back some time ago. Lets not forget, Whitley mentions photograhic analysis, but won’t release that either. Why is that..Because it would make the little cogs of this attempt to create a viable meme for the ufo cropcircle business,,come to a screeching halt. Thats why.

    Yes we have very good reasons why this may be going on
    and have every reason, more even not mentioned, why this matter. the drones, should be tossed like those horseshoes onto a spike, after all it is a game of sorts isn’t it?
    Greg..kudos on a magnificent read and all the great posts too.

    Cheers
    Manny

  8. Congrats – you disinformation posters know nothing
    From one of my blogs …. I used this asinine dailyrubbish page with all it’s chest beating dis-information posters as an example of the kind of feces that is now going on in discussion boards all over the web where intelligent people are genuinely trying to comprehend what they are seeing with own eyes. You Idiots. You will get yours.

    Just wait til you have an actual encounter with one of these things and wet your pants from the realization that these things are REAL. I would love to be there. Here’s that post I just wrote:

    For a great example of the kind of intense “professional disinformation spreaders and paid de-bunkers” that now scour the web trying in all futility to discourage people from spreading and discussing the truth – click here.

    I happened to have recently had an “up close and personal encounter” with a surveilling drone, just a few months back in April 2009, and I KNOW beyond all shadow of a doubt that the damn things are not only real, but they can and will appear and disappear, and Isaac is right. It seems to be prompted by some combination of intelligent human observation (i.e. they will “blink out” when you notice them and look right at them) or being in the presence of certain types of high voltage electrical equipment. I have no problem swearing on the Bible on this one, and / or swearing on my ancestor’s graves. And for a Cherokee, that’s a very big deal indeed.

    Site author and citizen journalist who won’t bother to leave you any of my research urls – you’re all so damn smart – speaking to the de-bunkers on here who are most likely about 14 years old … – go find them yourself.

    1. Care to tell the experience.
      Greetings, and welcome to the Grail.

      You say you had an encounter with one of these drones. Care to share that experience with the rest of the community?

      You can also include any URL you want in your posts —provided of course they are not commercial SPAM, which are the only kind of links we censor around here.

      —–
      It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
      It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

      Red Pill Junkie

    2. now that’s……
      a good way to win friends and influence people…..call them names…..why I didn’t think of that has me stumped!

      Please share your experince so we may be more enlightened.

      PS.sometimes it helps to read the time stamp on the posts before you post a comment.

      “Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told.”
      LRF.

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