Introduction

Firstly I must say that I am most happy in having found TDG alive and well as I had this site regularly prior to it being sold off and merged into something that I didn't recognize anymore - albeit a year or so ago...

I have an interest in the future of man and his destiny, his obvious incredible potential and the most urgent need for the most pioneering of us to get off our butts and leave this Planet and start to colonize the Universe. No, I am not crazy and I believe that the vehicle to do this together with the necessary technology is available today.

http://verbewarp.blogspot.com/

Review my writing - it is had to understand as I tend to frangment and expect the reader to do his/her own research - google is good.

You can comment here or comment on the blogsite - it will get to me and I will reply to positive input. I wish you all well,
peter

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the shadow's picture
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Hi Peter,
I was surprised to see a sweeping statement on your blog saying that there are no other humans like us in this Universe.
That may well be true but how do you know?
As we have been discussing in another thread,man may only be here because there are other humans like us in this universe.
You are making it sound like we are totally unique, and of such excellent stuff that we should spread ourselves around.
I tend to think that we are rather like ants or fleas, and only very inconsequential in the whole scheme of things.
And very damn lucky we are too.

Don't you think we should sort some of the problems here first? I mean could we at least feed the poor buggers in Africa and stop killing the other poor buggers in Iraq.

shadows

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let me begin with a Yes to solving the problems here - which includes feeding all the unfortunate.

However, biological evolution, like the whole of the Universe, excepting man does not take into account morality issues - as can be observed and confirmed and we man, while on Earth are just another evolved species.The obove concerns are purely of a moral order. But, survival of the species is the prime directive of evolution, at all cost! this is hwere I come from.

2000 years ago or thereabouts (read Julian Jaynes) we started targeting ourselves that is, the species of the same race as our enemy and now we do it as amtter of every political administration that gets into power. We need an enemy. This is the sign that our evolution has reached its zenith - on this Earth: we have no enemies within the natural spectra of biological life that has risen on this planet.

The natural progression of targetting enemies is the old story about halving the number infinitely. The reality is that if you do this continually, you will end up with two. Consider the final moment of two men; then end as the society of two cannot reproduce itself: Okay, consider one man and one woman: which one needs to be "culled"? Same result.

But we have the ability and the know how to exit - some of us and as we are natural pioneers and lousy civilizationists - it appears to be a fine time to move onto new frontiers.

Why there will be no humanoids thoughtout the Universe, comes from study of probability based upon an emergent Universe; Earth appears to be around 4 million years old, maybe more so the likeyhood of evolution of any planet and the emergent life of any planet depends of a wide range of different circumstances, so much so, that for the extremely tiny window in which the history of the Earth features in a ~15 billion year old or thereabouts Universe (plus or minus 2 billion years or so) suggests evolutionary pattens which would be highly unlikely to "exactly" - as they would need to be - match that on Earth is terms of the planets chemical and constituent makeup, the odds of oxygen being able to take hold, the odds against carbon life forms to become dominant, its perculiar precession and relationship to the other planets in the solar system (Earth, Mars as well as possible some other planets appear to have been captured and therefore foreign to this solar system - which makes the odds even greater against human life existing throughout the Universe). A miss in time of say 1 million years out of 15 billion years would mean if too early then a minor biological emergence and if 1 billion years later, the a far more advanced race - so much so, that they would have no interest on this human race which deals in netron bombs with and upon itself as a matter of course; default.

Short: I don't know but I do know it is a waste of time looking for them as there are better things to do with one's time.
Lucky? Has nothing to do with it! Evolution is about survival and the natural ability to create and leverage technology. In the spectra of life there are fleas and ants so we are clearly not of these species.

Inconsequential is subjective: We are what we are and amke of ourselves. If we wipe ouselves out - how cares? No one and nothing so yes, we are inconsequential! Up to us.

I am saying we have a choice and we can be deterministic about it or apathetic. Thank you for your comments
peter

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...but I don't necessarily agree with it Peter.
For a start the earth is a lot older than 4 million years, I think 4 billion would be closer to its age.
You are assuming too that life was created on earth as a by- product of all the chemical action going on and that man was created as a by-product of that.
I understand what you are saying about us wiping ourselves out and I agree that we are.
But if we move off to another planet and colonise it, won't we just take our problems with us?
I mean we are human, and as humans we seem to have this built-in need to kill and destroy.
I saw that years ago when I lived in the country.Some farmers were at my place and a beautiful dragon-fly flew past.
The father immediately yelled at the kids to kill it and they all ran off to kill it.
It took me years to convince them that the dragonflies were beautiful and a necessary part of nature.
After all, what good is a dead dragonfly.
If you eat what you kill that is OK, but we are waaay past that point.

I also think you are saying that the frontier life is OK but trying to evolve our brains and minds to behave better is a waste of time and so we shouldn't bother.
It is always difficult to do the hard yards,but unless we do them, we can never really arrive anywhere.
We will just keep picking up our tents and moving on.

And are you sure our civilisation is worth saving in the first place? I dunno about that.
I believe that unless we do something about ourselves, and do it quickly, then we are dealing ourselves the justice we deserve.

shadows

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very well put.....my thoughts exactly.

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We are broadcast...information manifest in whatever form we deem necessary to learn and grow...at times to have fun. Go to your RPG and see the likeness.

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This is more or less consistent with the Laws of Causality but if we break out of this cycle through Mind, if we are able to that is, then it could be a completely different game. What is RPG?

peter

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rocket propelled granade........having trouble understanding the relevence there. hopefully oscar can clarify.
Apart from the redeemer....the rpg is the most devistating weapon in unreal tournament.

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I will accept 4 to 5 billion and apologize for the under-statement. But then, who really knows?

Creation - see my blog on Intelligence - yes to chemical, and also to electrical and to magnetism - the Universe is electric - life is engendered and nurtured by magnetic fields.

Life is any emergent phenomenon that has the capacity to self organize.

Colonization and the baggage - Yes, we will carry it to some degree but we will find out there new enemies - competing life forms - and, i am not suggesting that we all just star trek it to one planet. I am suggesting we go to many planets and meet lots of new enemies - should keep us busy for a millenia or two. due to this we will also learn new evolutionary tricks. That is, our abilities will become more advanced by learning experientially

No, I am not saying that we should not try to evolve our minds - see my blog Evolving Man - I am saying that we should and now is the time to start doing this because I believe that we are in a cycle to do just that naturally, but this could take hundreds of years to kick in and with morons currently in charge of nuclear weapons and a blood lust and feeding frenzy building with an ultimate agenda to "cull" the human race, it could be a good time to circumvent this agenda by moving towards other planets and let the home fires be tended by those desperado's and their supporters - this situation will change. But why stop here - let us go and advance these minds further and further and further.

Moving into space will delay the annihilation of the race but if we stay here the risk is that we will destroy ourselves entirely.

All life has the instinctive sense to kill the enemy for food and territory and can use technology to become symbiotic and parasitical and complementing and all life destroys to eat. We just appear to be extremely aggressive and I believe that is a good trait for pioneering and a bad trait for civilizing.

Saving the race (not civilization) is natural and instinctive and until we learn that there is a difference between "science" and "technology" we shall remain without "free-will" which we do not have today! We also need to learn to learn and think - to interact - and to become creative.

As for potential - the Atom Bomb in a singular destructive reductionist act released the energy of a single atom that was and is astonishing. We are of many atoms being of trillions of cells.

Picking up our tents is what we do and we are extremely good at it and as I have said before, what we are not good at, is staying in one place.

Yhere is an infinite Universe out there and I suggest it is ours for the taking - why not? and remember, I am not forcing yuou to leave. I am only proposing that it is possible, necessary and now is an extremely good opportunity.

peter

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shadows

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great

I will soon inform you of the etd - the spaceport co-ordinates - an you seat number.
don't hold your breathe please

peter

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hold her breath if she has to find her own way to the spaceport...or do you supply the shuttle service, and at what cost?
Tongue out of cheek now....we may have the tech. but we don't use it.
We insist on flogging out the shuttle. So why is that? As for electric universe...I think that is a term that needs to be dumped.
Magnetic universe is, what I believe, to be the correct term.
The only way we will ever leave our solar system is to understand the true nature of magnetism.
But free energy for all is out of the question!

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I like your suggestion - it could be indeed as I believe that life is both engenered by magnetic fields and nurtured by them - see "Listen, and learn little Grasshopper" at http://verbewarp.blogspot.com/

Agree also with learning about magnetism but disagree about free energy but this statement just really depends where and how one pays - no free lunch.

peter