100th monkey..........?
Posted by thefloppy1 at 09:00, 25 Feb 2006Something to think about and be aware of.
More evidence of a possible thought link.
I mentioned earlier in a comment about a Lady being gored by a cow. This made the news but was never repeated after it was found that she was only scratched and bruised. But it was strange to have another goring a day latter where a man was gored very badly by a bull. A lot of coverage and then yet another goring. Over a hundred kilometres between these events.
Goring is a very rare and to have this many in a short time in a place that shares news even though the distances are great is a bit concerning.
Now we have the Mildura accident. For those of you who have not heard, a car was driven into a group of 15 and 16 year olds on the side of the road in a small country town. 5 died and the tragedy for this town is immense.
For those of you in America, a small town here in Australia has only about 2 or 3 thousand people. Sometimes a lot less so to loose maybe a third of your teenagers in one accident is very terrible.
Not even a week latter in Tasmania, a car accident kills also 5. Also in a small populated area.
Now what I’m trying to say here is this, could our thoughts actually create a situation where this can happen? Because the events are so terrible there would be a very large part of the population thinking of these events.
They say things happen in three’s…….why???
Could it be the thoughts of many are creating this???
Are our thoughts so strong after the first and create another then de-sencesitise after the third???
As kennc would say……what do you think?
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4 February 2006
6 years 36 weeks
I think it's all part of the same phenomena and i'll try to explain how i visualise it.
We look at the natural world and we see movement and circles, a forward movement + a circle gives us a spiral as the circle can never complete. We see galaxies and orbits. I imagine time to be the same as space and that time moves and behaves in the same way.
We can predict, to some extent, the future positions and states of matter becuase they follow the natural laws that give us spirals and circles. We know the position of Earth in 1 years time, although the galaxy has moved, local 'space' is very similar and we find the Earth occupying a very similar location 1 year later.
Other physical objects have different properties of spin and orbit, so their 'local' space is repeated at different intervals.
If time also evolves in a similar way, then we will keep finding ourselves in repeating locations, but like the physical world, it will be a localised similarity within the frame of a larger, changing, environment. The Earth is in the same location, but the weather is different, people are doing sifferent things, but the planets still line up as predicted. So time repeats or spirals into a very similar state but the physical attributes, like the weather, have changed.
I dont have much reason to think that the mind effects this as just observing these states will allow us to experience these reacurrances, coincidences and harmonic 'incidents', but if quantum physics is saying that all states only exist in potential until observed, it would suggest that we need to observe these circles and spirals in time and space for them to manifest.
Maybe cause and effect are a little like time and space, actually the same thing but only seperated by our measurements of them.
I dont know if this helps to explain the way I think about these things, but digital fractal pictures that repeat when you zoom in can represent the whole universe, existing outside time as a whole complex pattern and that the repeating patterns that you can see when you zoom in, the ones that actually make up the whole picture, cannot be seen until we do zoom in and recalculate what should be there.
I can feel myself wandering already.....
Circular movements of physical objects in space could explain time manifesting in a similar way......when we look at it!
E N
4 June 2005
4 years 12 weeks
Good thoughts there E N.
I suppose if the Universe and reality is made up of a complex mathematical matrix, any number of interconnecting equations can produce any number of interpretations, especially within such a fluid reality that we undoubtedly inhabit. The meaning may simply be in want we give to them. However, I think Floppy's definitely picking up on something in the synchronicity of these events. While there have been a whole series of incidents with strange animal behaviour and collapsing roofs which can be attributed to changing weather patterns etc. there have certainly been less obvious occurrences, examples of which have been mentioned.
Personally, I see these as little "nodes" of wake-up-calls that will be heeded or not. I think we are in one of the most crucial periods of human history for a coupla thousand years or so. What each of us decides now about what we see in the world and which can lead to understanding better who we are, which can lead to a partcular quality of action or "doing" - may determine the outcome of this period.
These synchronous events may be a microcosm of the macrocosm. In other words, they may signal signposts of danger ahead that the collective consciousness must SEE and thus avoid. Or, we repeat the cycle/spiral again.
One possibility anyway. Don't have a whole lotta hope that humanity is going to pull itself out of this one, but I'd rather go down "fighting" than to give in to a minority of psychopaths that wish to pull us down to their level.
Stan
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
Stan, I tend to think of these events in a similar way to you. I feel we are in a critical period in our history. Spirituality is waking up and we need to at least consider the possibility that we can control the outcomes by positive, collective thinking.
I understand what earthling is saying in s/he’s response to EN’s post but if this was so then each persons visual understanding would be slightly different or completely different to each others and therefore a group of highly skilled persons would have great difficulty in working together. This would have hindered progress to the point of never getting anywhere.
Too many things have happened in my life that supports thoughts producing an outcome that I can not ignore them.
Being aware that this is a possibility allows more to see these. The hardwired, logical mind will always have problems inserting a supernatural into the equation.
22 November 2004
6 days 10 hours
The interpretation of vision, what we "see", is as much cultural as it is individual.
That is why teams have success, and why symbolism works.
Having said that, how we interpret the world has an influence on how we make the world. And a significant part of our world today is made, by us.
In western culture, we accept that as normal. In the old days, nature and the gods as part of nature provided everything.
Perhaps a simple example (even trivial) of what Floppy is talking about is teamwork. I have seen other example of parallel thought, on technical issues - people I have never talked to came to the same conclusions, developed the same theories that I did. That is a cultural phenomenon, we are working on the state of the art. These things are called "intangibles", but they are very real. They are behaviours, not corresponding to anything physical. These behaviours can be transmitted by speech, or just by observation. The group or team that is copying the behaviour, or improving on it, does not have to understand that this is what they are doing.
Oh, and to settle any doubts (regarding your (s)he), I have been a man for all my life, and I am planning to keep it like that. Even though I am really sweet and of course remarkably pretty. But don't let that influence you.
22 November 2004
6 days 10 hours
We look for things we can recoginze, for patterns. That is what out waking and sleeping mind does, it never stops.
All of what we "see" is an interpretation, as opposed to an objective observation.
My sister has a student, a very nice older lady, who has immense problems understanding some things, and can't follow directions, whether it is about finding websites, reading what is on the site, or about training her dog. This lady is not stupid, but she just does not see the same things that I see. "See" quite literally, as in visual recognition, not as in "understand". Things that are in plain sight for me, staring me in the face, are completely invisible to her. Even after I point them out.
She sees the kind of things she expects, and I see other things. To her, the stuff that I see plainly does not exist.
We are taught that the earth rotates around the sun, reliably and calmly, in an elliptical orbit in a plane. This is not true, the entire system moves quite rapidly. So the earth really does a spiralling motion, moving forward at the same time as it circles aroung the sun. I don't remember the numbers, but I seen to remember that the forward motion is much faster than the rotational motion. Correct me if I am wrong, I would like to know.
These considerations suggest that coordination across time is unlikely, since it also implies coordination across space. The earth is nowhere near where it was one "cicle around the sun" ago, or "1 year" as we call it.
Back on earth, I tend to believe that these things are patterns that we look for, and that we find. Mostly because we have a built-in need to find patterns, and we are also blind to many things that don't fit our pattern-matching minds.
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
EN, very interesting. I’ve not thought of the spiralling effects in your context before. So if events were to repeat in a sort of time loop but the raw materials to produce the effect were different then the outcome would be similar but circumstances are different.
The problem I have with the quantum aspects referring to existing in potential until observed hints of gross arrogance on our part I think. This would mean that events are static till we look and make them happen. So if observed by any other entity other then our selves there would be nothing. Or I have completely misunderstood this.
As for time, it is possible that it is a local illusion. Generated by a complex interaction between the rotations of this planet, its magnetic properties coupled with the orbit of the sun and effected by the relationship of all bodies in our solar system. Out side our local space (our solar system and a fare bit beyond) time may well be different.
It just seems to me to be strange how events that are observed or shown to many seem to be closely followed by similar events. This to me hints of a powerful collective thought process. The initial event may have been caused by a number of adverse conditions leading up to it but after this the thoughts of many thinking and talking about the event has some how triggered another event of similar magnitude.
Some say we create our own reality…….if this is so then the collective could create the collective reality.
Just a thought……..
26 February 2005
3 years 44 weeks
To me this is weird and synchronistic as I just posted a comment on the post I posted about artifacts and art peices being stolen and I talked about Museums. It was on my mind a lot for many reasons, but I felt compelled to write about it. Well, that was the nigth before last night I think or earlier on in the day I wrote that --- as it was on my mind about Museums and stealing, although I had just been to a Museum and found out some dirty stuff going on. But last night I heard on the radio that in Rio , burglars just stole the most valuable art paintings out of a Museum during their Mardi Gra street festival and got away with it...I just wrote that was synchronistic that I heard it and had written about people who collect stolen art goods, then I read this and to me this is synchronistic to what I just wrote about synchronistic events.
On animals and such, I wonder if they are getting disturbed by the EMFs and then their collective consciousness behaves in an irrational manner. It is hard to tell, I think there is alot to all of this and there may be a couple of theories that combine that can explain it.
Lat year 2 of my close friends got injured really bad and ended up in the hospitlal, this worried me as things seem to happen in threes, I kept telling Terry, "Things happen in three, I wonder who is going to be next in the hospital?" ( I live in a very small rural area with a small population under 1000 people. Every one knows every one else basically.) Well with in one week, which is the time frame between the events of Gary and Benny entering the hospital , it was me who entered the hospital with a liver coma out of the blue from an allergic reaction to tetracycline....I was freaking out, I had wondered if I created that reality of the three because I had thought of it and I worried about it so I brought it upon myself some how.....cause at times I would look at my other friend and say at times, "You know it could be me or you, you never know." but it was me...I was the third one...then time passes and it will happen again, so I undertand what every one is saying, it all is mind boggling how it works...and yes, the three is strange....you could look at it as geometry at work as well, as a simple solid of a matrix.....strange physics and all....
I think in some ways we do create our own reality, but the unexpected, like the goaring in another little town, that is hard to explain, unless on a subliminal unconcsiouss level you created it Floppy by thinking about it or having it in your "field" of energy...yeah, all pretty weird.
Now Floppy you got me wondering, what is going to be the next stolen piece of art or an artifact that I will hear about and when will it be????? HA!...Thanks for the great mind trip....
XC
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
this time it will only be two's. I can't stand any kind of theft.
But we should all watch closly and see if any event turns into events of a similar nature.
4 February 2006
6 years 36 weeks
Another thought I had was if the universe were more like an expanding spiral, which would give us universal overlaps, rather than an expanding 'balloon' model which leaves the past behind. Time overlaps could occur in an increasingly localised way, i.e. from clusters of galaxies through individual galactic rotation to solar system orbits and electrons. (If you had an infinite number of possible locations for an electron along its orbit, it would still complete a whole orbit cycle but be able to slightly adjust its return position, for ever ? !)
I do however like the idea of collective consciousness as it would be an aid to survival. I believe that conscious thoughts can effect our DNA and literally program it for future generations, based on our observations and perceived future needs. It would be wonderful to find a process of communicating this survival information beyond the self and beyond our ability to express it via the senses.
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
may well have touched on the very essence of evolution!
I do understand your spiraling theory but have a little trouble with grasping the enormity of it. If this is valid, then time would or could be warped all through the cosmos......maybe.
4 May 2004
5 years 43 weeks
You exemply with this post the kind of thinking they need to teach in schools -- how to connect the dots.
But your post begs the question: had X number of people not seen the original news story, would the copy cat versions have happened? Malcolm Gladwell put numbers to this theory in "The Tipping Point" where he elaborates on the economists' 80/20 Principle, which is the idea that in any situation roughly 80 percent of the "work" will be done by 20 percent of the participants. In most societies, 20 percent of criminals commit 80 percent of crimes. Twenty percent of motorists cause 80 percent of all accidents, 20% of all beer drinkers drink 80% of all beer. When it comes to thoughts affecting situations, perhaps the same percentages apply?
That's one of the reasons I avoid network news -- don't want to be part of their gameplan without my knowledge/concurrence.
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
being aware of the possibilty is a start to being able to see more events that just seems strange for them to happen in a small time frame. Unrelated by themselves but related because of the similarities. I've not heard of those percentages before but it is a start. I did read once that it would take 8% of the worlds population to all think of the same outcome at the same time to produce that desired outcome.
24 June 2004
5 years 50 weeks
Today I stumbled downstairs to do my washing and I found to my amazement that the lady next door had already done her's.
I couldn't believe it.I was stunned.
What a coincidence, two people with the same thought on the same day.
My life will never be the same again.
I would love to hear other stories of amazing incidences of synchronicity.
shadows
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
I think many people would do their washing on the same day.
Its more to do with events that are out of the normal occurence.
Like if you were to do something that was a rare event and you found your neigbour doing the same thing.
There is something here that is worth thinking about and taking note of.
But not washing....:{)
24 June 2004
5 years 50 weeks
I haven't done any washing since before I fell down the stairs.
shadows
26 February 2005
3 years 44 weeks
Joke, joke, I just wrote something and for got to hit the submit button and lost it. I am not going to rewrite it.
But, yes, we are talking about weird thigns, not washing clothes, it may be unusual for you , but most people do that, I think we are looking at the goaring and the unusual things and the oddities of life that happen , that in a way are great markers of time and life changing in some degrees as they affect history..........
I was thinkiing about the 2 verses 3, maybe two is duality and would cancel out, and then no event would happen in "time space" so we need it to be and odd number ......like to keep a kick start running on the frequency of events or such...
Just thinking about numbers...
I did not know others noticed how things happened in threes.... I thought I was just seeing that in my mind and getting crazy or something. I know things happen in threes a lot of times. I think some one should post something if they hear about anything related to what we are talking about , goaring, stealing, museums, Mummines....aaaaaahhhh,,,,,grocery shopping and washing clothes is different, unless black water came into the machine and 100 miles away another macihine did the same thing at teh same time nearly, or tomatoes started ripening at a rapid rate and rot with in one day at one grocery store and the same thing happens 100 miles away at a different grocery store....
I guess I will turn on International Public Radio and listen to it in the background and hear if anything pops up.
C
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
I still feel there needs to be a critical mass...ie: enough people with the same or very similar thoughts.
As Anon mentioned in his post.....the tipping point.....If I can remember where I read it about the 8% I will post a link or something.
4 May 2004
5 years 43 weeks
“I did read once that it would take 8% of the world’s population to all think of the same outcome at the same time to produce that desired outcome.” I remember reading about a similar percentage in some organization’s plea to affect peace using a concerted group consciousness effort at sending love. Can’t remember which organization, but I checked Dr. Masaru Emoto’s site as one possibility. The closest formula I could find there centered around his pleas with the world’s population to send love and thanks to the waters in an effort to help restore them after Hurricane Katrina. He had this formula to offer: “If we can all come together and send this positive energy into the universe, the fury of the dragon may cool down for a little while. This is because I believe that the ‘m’ in the energy equation of the late Einstein, ‘E = mc2’ is the number of people and the ‘c’, equals consciousness.” http://www.masaru-emoto.net/
20 July 2005
3 years 20 weeks
After reading this post and it's stunning implications I realised a very common sinchronicity that ocurrs in my train of thought. And please, don't think I'm just being proselytitst. It's just that many times, certain events and information I perceive leads me to the same conclussion: One man came once and explained the entire nature of human conciousness in a self-evident manner. The man was the Buddha. The Buddha tought that everything we percieve is an ilussion created by our mind's tendency to stick to percieved phenomena and identify with it. the identification with the ego. His vision about Samsara (the wheel of existance) sounds a lot to me like the spiral described above because, let's face it, ever since the appearance of mankind things have been the same. We are trapped in our thoughts. We live in our minds, and our minds jump from one point to the other in this endless web of perception, always trying to find something that we never seem to reach. It seems almost pointless, yet we keep on. At the beggining it was easier. The flow of ideas was way smaller than today. The collective mind was like a brand-new hard drive. Now, six-billion people coming up with ideas that lead to an exponential amount of more questions. Luckily the Buddha also tought a way out of this mess. Just stop thinking. The moment your mind stops fixing to ideas, your conciousness is released from being either here or there. It becomes free of having to choose or in other words, conciousness is released from the exclusivity of being somewhere. Is like the mental version of the economical concept of "cost of oportunity". But unlike in economy, in which you have to choose because you only have a limited amount of money, the mind does not have a limit in it's perception. Our minds can handle the all at once. All we have to do is to let go on the particular (ideas) so that our minds are free to embrace the general (nirvana, union, God, the whole picture). Off course, all this I said, in the universe of ideas would be quite periferical, but not outside the realm of thought. Otherwise my post would be a blank space and a smile of joy, of a mind in eternal bliss.
So, what do you "not" think?
Let's question thought itself. ;)
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
I stopped thinking...........would I still exist????
20 July 2005
3 years 20 weeks
That you call yourself? can you define it?
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
is too restrictive.
To have thought is to exist. To exist without thought would be non-existence to ones self yet existence to others with thought.
But this is just the mind. What of the soul? Then the body?
7 February 2005
4 years 18 weeks
to that small town...
things happen in threes.. cuz we go out of our way to notice a third event
in my humble and foggy opinion
namaste
marissa
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
it needs to happen for us to notice it. If we all were not thinking of it, would it still happen?
15 March 2006
1 year 47 weeks
I've read in a few different places that the thing we call reality could sort of be the "consensus dream" of the current human population inhabiting this particular relm of existance. If that's the case, then human belief can alter the world in a variety of ways that wouldn't seem very obvious the average Joe. More than one religion holds this to be the case and I can cite a few examples of things that could give one pause in this regard.
First, there's the nature of light. Is it a particle? Is it a ray? Is it matter? Is it energy? Well...according to some of Einstein's protoge's it really depends on what you want it to be when you observe it. That's kinna freaky.
Then there's Atlantis. A hundred years ago, a relatively small number of people believed it existed, right? Back then there was hardly any evidence other than one poem only written down after years of oral retelling that this place could have existed. Nowadays pretty much everybody believes Atlantis could have existed and, lo and behold, we're finding more and more evidence that some atlantis-like culture could have existed sometime in the past twelve thousand years or so. Because more people believe it, more evidence gets "backwritten" into the shared dream, you see? It must have existed in the past, so the appropriate evidence pops up appropriately encrusted in the detritus of the ages.
More than one religious belief system has adopted this principle as well. Most of your "pagan" or "tribal" religions accept the mutability of our world as simple fact. That's how "magic" happens, afterall. The will or belief of one person is enough to alter the shared reality if they approach it the right way.
So, could the ill tidings in Australia have been the result of fear and expectant anxiety on the continent? Maybe. But it could also be that bad stuff just happens. Who knows?
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
I don't believe our thoughts or dreams have fashioned the material reality we find ourselves in. But I do believe our thoughts are a form of energy that emits outward and can cause events. When strong enough. eg: many thoughts emitting a similar outcome.
It's like a wave lenght.....positive thoughts create a positive outcome and visa versa.
Religion has fashioned our reality for thousands of years. It is very apparent when you look around. Just look at an American coin or note (bill).
As for light....light is pure energy, all energy emits heat. The vibrational level of light{as a partical}is so high it can be measured as a wave. It is trans-dimensional or multi-dimensional.
Atlantis is a curiousity that has been fueled by the dicovery of many sites around the world, in the last 200 odd years, of unexplained constructions and many under water ruins. I hope one day they find their Atlantis. Meanwhile all the other amazing sites are in it's shadow.
It seems to be an invulontary consensus to follow an idea at any given time for survival or just plain laziness.
2 March 2005
6 years 33 weeks
thefloppy1
If there was a snowball effect involved, I think that our thoughts could cause things to happen. I also think that in rare cases the thoughts of individuals could be strong enough to cause things to happen. Furthermore, if you study the histories of various religions, they usually, not always, call for groups to focus their thoughts during what they refer to as worship, prayer, meditation, etc.
What do you think?
kennc
1 May 2004
13 weeks 5 days
a very long time ago in a galaxy far away....hang on..just kidding.
many years ago i was asked to go to a born again christian night. We ate and the preacher spoke. Then after eating people were invited to go out to the front and have all there to pray for them and the preacher..."laid hands on" and most people callapsed at the knees.
Now this was new to me back then and it interested me a lot. I was finely coerst into taking part. Now I did not callasp at the knees but I did feel a strong force that nearly over come me.
After thinking on this for many years and knowing what I know now, I have realised that this was group conciousness at work. There is a force there i'm sure. If we knew what we were looking for we could measure it.
2 March 2005
6 years 33 weeks
thefloppy1
The force is within us and it is probably electro-magnetic in nature. I don't know; but, I do know that individuals can generate it with or without a group. It simply becomes stronger when others are generating it also. It seems to combine to become stronger in much the same way that electro-magnetic forces combine. So, we might be able to measure it in much the same way that we measure electro-magnetic forces.
What do you think?
kennc