Ask any ten people you know......

....no matter how educated or well informed they THINK they are, what PNAC stands for.

The, aske then what these people all have in common:

Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Perle, Jeb, Feith, Libby, Armitage, Bennet, Bork, Woolsey, and Khalilzad, the new ambassador to Iraq.

Then ask them to name the leader of the pack (only some of whom are listed above).

And then, please....ask them why they think they are the LEAST bit informed....because the people named here, and others were the ones who planned the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan LONG BEFORE 9/11....and may have pulled off the hoax of the century to get us there.

No, this is not conspiracy theory stuff. It's documented fact, - mostly taken from the PNAC website itself, and that is open to the public. It's just that the media refuse to ever, ever, identify any of these people with the organzation that planned, pushed, orchestrated, and is still running the war in which more and more Americans, Iraqis and Afghanis are dying every day.

I don't care if you're pro or against Bush or the wars or anything else. I just plead with you to become informed. Get the FACTS...not the propaganda, not the spin...the documented facts that NO ONE IS DENYING..just hiding.

Read the article I just wrote and draw your own conclusions. But please, don't ignore it. Read it...check out the links that verify the information and THINK. Please.

KRISTOL CLEAR

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"Read the article I just wrote and draw your own conclusions. But please, don't ignore it. Read it...check out the links that verify the information and THINK. Please."

Hi Shadowmom,

Enjoyed the article and agree whole-heartedly.

Unfortunately, one cannot force people to think obejctively about the evidence however compelling. Most people simply aren't ready to accept that the world is run by criminals who have absolutely no regard for human life whatsoever. The sticking point seems to be that folks have real trouble envisioning just how crafty and frankly, evil some humans can be. What is especially disturbing is that most of them now seem to reside in the Bush Administration which is extraordinarily fascist. Much like a Fourth Reich in the making.

So, those who are looking to find their comfortable beliefs reinforced will look for them in the lies told to the American people daily. "Ignoring it" is a free-will choice (as much as we have any). Those looking to think for themselves and to be informed will find the information they need, such as your article.

Well done.

Stan

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Stanley

It is a Fourth Reich! It has been made. It was made before George Bush was elected. All that they needed was time to impliment it and that process has been going on since Ronald Reagan or possibly Richard Nixon. What would amaze you is whose part of it. In any case, it may go the way of the Third Reich! But, don't count on it anytime in the near future; because, the Republicrats, not just the Republicans, have too much to lose!

It's interesting that Bill Clinton is such a good friend of the Bush's, isn't it? And, look at how controlling Senator Hillary Clinton wants to be!

What do you think?

kennc

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Hi Kennc,

It certainly is the Fourth Reich. But we have as yet, not seen the full "flowering" of it's power. Yet also from this, it's decline. There's a whole lot more yet to come.

But no, I can assure you nothing at all would amaze me Kennc on that score especially as you so rightly mention, it has gone waaaaay beyond any notion of Republican or Democrat many moons ago.

Dangerous times indeed.

Stan

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You are right about the Clintons.Hillary has not objected to the war in Iraq and if elected next time round I presume she would continue this ridiculous war on terror.

Like politics in Oz, there is no difference between major parties any more and thus voters have no choice.
It is either this particular evil, or that identical evil.

I had to vote again last weekend in a Council by-election and I was prepared to pay the fine rather than have to select which particular idiot I wanted in Council.

shadows

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Stanley

My biggest worry is that there may not be very many people left when everything is over. I honestly believe that the world population will decrease drastically this century and I sincerely hope that I am very wrong about that!

What do you think?

kennc

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shadowmom

I think that your article was right on!!!! But, I'm out of time to comment at the moment. So, I will be back to comment later!

kennc

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Hi shadowmum,
I thought you might like to read something I saw in the paper today about George Bush.

Donald Rumsfeld is giving George Bush his daily briefing.He finishes by saying,
"Yesterday, three Brazillion soldiers were killed in an accident".
"OH NO!" the President cries,
"That's terrible!"
His staff, stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watch as the President sits, head in hands.
Finally, Bush looks up and says:
"How many is a brazillion?"

I read something Cindy Sheehan, Supermum, wrote on the weekend, and she seems to think as I do that Bush has a limited time left.
We can only hope.

shadows

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>>I read something Cindy Sheehan, Supermum, wrote on the weekend, and she seems to think as I do that Bush has a limited time left.

By law, Dubya's time is limited to what remains of his second term.

But imho, those who are currently in control of the US government are likely to stay in power long after Dubya is long-gone because there is currently NO viable second party in the US.

Although the Democratic Party still claims to be a viable second party, the gist of the matter is, apparently, the only thing they're interested in is getting re-elected.

It's in the interest of both the Republicans and the Democrats to continue the status quo with regard to any potential third party, meaning the election laws in all 50 states make it extremely difficult for third party candidates to even get on the ballot, much less get elected.

And if elected, they have very little power to accomplish anything in Congress due to the fact that members of the majority party are in charge of all Congressional committees. And those committees determine which proposed legislation actually gets voted on by the Senate and the House. Most of the bills submitted by the minority party never make it out of committee.

Kat

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I'm sure you know already, that it's not the elected public "servants" that do the ruling anyway. They are way too "short term".

In order to control events over a long period, it is the people who pull the strings in the background - the unelected, and mostly anonymous few, who truly control the worlds future, and guide it along a certain path - for better or worse.

Call them the Illuminati if you want, although I think this credits them with too much Orwellian "mystery" and all-seeing power. They are simply businessmen and women whose only motive is to funnel the wealth of the world into their already swollen pockets, and are in a position that allows them to influence what the rest of us see and hear.

yer ol' pal,

Xibalba
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"Number Form Follows Measurement Function"

The Fruit of the American Root will Fall

"There are two passions which have a powerful influence on the affairs of men. These are... love of power and love of money.... When united... they have the most violent effects." Benjamin Franklin

Those who seek power will be corrupted by it. They will be willing to intentionally cause depressions, revolutions, and wars in order to further their desire for more power. For Lucifer desires death, the energy of Hades, and the living marked for death, who are spiritual energy in waiting.

A Branch of the Root

Albert Pike was born on December 29, 1809, in Boston, and was the oldest of six children born to Benjamin and Sarah Andrews Pike. He studied at Harvard, and later served as a Brigadier-General in the Confederate Army. After the Civil War, Pike was found guilty of treason and jailed, only to be pardoned by fellow Freemason President Andrew Johnson on April 22, 1866, who met with him the next day at the White House. On June 20, 1867, Scottish Rite officials conferred upon Johnson the 4th to 32nd Freemasonry degrees, and he later went to Boston to dedicate a Masonic Temple.

Pike was said to be a genius, able to read and write in 16 different languages, although I cannot find a record anywhere of what those languages were. In addition, he is widely accused of plagiarism, so take with a pinch of salt. At various stages of his life we was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and philanthropist. A 33rd degree Mason, he was one of the founding fathers, and head of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, being the Grand Commander of North American Freemasonry from 1859 and retained that position until his death in 1891. In 1869, he was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.

It is said that only two U.S. Presidents: Abraham Lincoln and John Kennedy, were not either Masons or elite members of affiliated bodies.

Imagine taking two 33rd Degree Stone Masons and one 32nd Degree Stone Mason and so forming the missing apex of the Great Pyramid at 33 x 33 x 32 feet and /15 x Pi thrice is 72,033.782 cubic inches, that of the internal volume of the sarcophagus, a symbol of of the Whore of Babylon. The Great Pyramid is symbolised by the truncated pyramid design on the American One Dollar Bill.

And, yes, there are some who believe an Ancient Egyptian architect told his Ancient Egytian overseer to organise a team of stonemasons to cut an internal volume in a block of red granite that is 41.686267 cubic feet. And these same people cannot grasp the fact that the internal volume was chosen as a ‘measurement message’ and this message was “I am the Whore of Babylon!” And the opposite to the evil Abomination, the Mystery is the Bride of Christ, the true Church.

So can anyone real believe the Ancient Egyptian architect knew that the Great Pyramid at 91,575,000 cubic feet and increased to 9.157500000e-831 and reciprocated and /4 and square root 9 times is the internal volume of the sarcophagus that is in the King’s Chamber of the said Pyramid at 41.6862190 cubic feet at 72033.786 cubic inches.

The sons of Men into the sarcophagus, in that basic humans, as humans, have a gestation period of 273 days on average, as seen by the combined height of the Twin Towers at 1,362 feet for the South Tower and 1,368 feet for the North Tower. And the sarcophagus at 41.686218 cubic feet (72,033.786331 cubic inches) and squared 9 times is 2.73000e+829, the sons of Men.

So the granite sarcophagus was cut to such a size to ensure it could not be removed through the King’s Chamber’s doorway, so was placed into the chamber during the construction of the Great Pyramid. Such an idea to lock in a sarcophagus was seemingly never done anywhere else in Ancient Egypt.

Lucifer’s Alfred Pike said that "The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.”

Albert Pike addressing the 23 Supreme Councils of the world on July 14, 1889:- "To you, Sovereign Grand Instructors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: 'the Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. . ."

The calculation to reveal the roots of September 11, 2001 is the foundation date of the Skull and Bones Society on June 28, 1832 and the July 14, 1889 the date of Alfred Pikes Luciferian statement.

Counting down from September 11, 2001 to the Skull and Bones date of June 28, 1832 is 169.2053432 years and multiplied from 10:30am July 14, 1889 is 112.1603402 years and squared and x 2/10,000 is 72,033.875 cubic inches. (And if the meeting of the Supreme Councils was at 9pm in the evening of July 14, 1889 it is 10:28:31pm Tuesday, September 11, 2001 when the North Tower collapsed, a tower that symbolises the Stars and Stripes).

And to think some American people won’t like to see the Root of their Fruit.

Sad

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JohnDM

I've never been a Mason; but, my father was a 32nd Degree Mason. I turned down the opportunity to become a Mason. I've seen this type of reasoning before. I know that many of your facts are true and I'm not unfamiliar with the back waters geometery, including what the Masons refer to Divine Geometery. But, I disagree with the way that you want to play with numbers in order to make the math work. Your mathematical approach is hokum and so is the mathematical approach of the Masons. Your conclusions, based on your math, are questionable. But, I agree, for other reasons, that the Christian Church as a whole is evil, not all Christians or all individual Churches, and that U.S. society and culture is rotten to the core. So, my conclusion is that your post was good hokum!

kennc

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Kennc,

please don't feed the animals!

yer ol' pal,

Xibalba
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Xibalba

I was trying to be nice!

kennc

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ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

This "number form follows measurement" trash that you keep posting is wasting time, and devaluing the discussions on any thread you post on.

JohnDM - Get a life, for goodness' sake! Go out! Go to the pub! Join a club (not a maths club, please!) Meet some "ordinary" people.

Please!

yer ol' pal,

Xibalba
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