How Can We UnderstandThe Reasons For The Suffering Of The Arab Peoples In Palestine: Is the world Blind?{Up-Dated}
Posted by cnnek at 00:10, 22 Jun 2010I've actually done this research in libraries. If you can gain access, seminary libraries can be very useful in this regard. The urls that I'm posting are footnotes that support my research. Their content is true. This post deals with the nature and causes of the Rape of Palestine by the Ashkenazi. I'm going to let the footnote urls explain it.
I} Jews That Lived In Palestine Before The Zionists Took Over And The Zionist Political Movement
II}The Talmud And The Zionist Political Movement
Palestine
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22 November 2004
4 weeks 1 day
Is it really necessary to drag this political issue everywhere? Can't we discuss other realms, ancients history, space travel and all those things in peace and quiet without being bothered by political propaganda?
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28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Earthling,
The truth should never be hidden! The truth is what should be discussed! Other realms are interesting, too; but, if certain problems aren't dealt with and solved, it's all over but the shouting. It is a mistake to bury our heads in the sands of pleasant topics when innocent men, women, Children are suffering and dying and the hands of an oppresser. Furthermore, for fighting back, these freedom fighters are called terrorists!
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
22 November 2004
4 weeks 1 day
I will call it propaganda because that's what it is. Your headline reveals it.
You are advancing a current politcal cause by claiming very old historical precedence.
So while I am not disputing your right to voice your opinion in this matter, or any other, I am voicing my opinion.
And I am calling you at your game, and expressing my displeasure with what you are doing.
You do no own the truth.
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28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Earthling,
I've been advancing this cause for over 50 years. I've been Pro-Palestinian for over 50 years. For me, this is a very old cause. There is nothing new about this cause from my perspective.
The truth should never be hidden. It can be proven that the Ashkenazi were not the Biblicai Jews. From a Biblical perspective, they have no right to claim that God gave them anything. It can be shown that 2000 years ago the residents of Palestine were negroid. The Ashkenazi are caucasian. Furthermore, the basic human rights of Non-Ashkenazis mean nothing to them. Ashkenazis only care about Ashkenazis. They must be exposed for what the really are before it's too late. There is nothing religious about the events in Palestine, They are political in nature. Furthermore, human rights are being violated and crimes against humanity are being commited. I don't care about religion and I would never give anybody anything based on religion. I do care about human rights abuses and crimes against humanity. If Ashkenazis are not exposed and stopped, there is no future! Abandon All Hope!
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
22 November 2004
4 weeks 1 day
Right, as I said you are spreading political propaganda. You can do that of course, but I will call you on it.
Who the Jews were 2000 years ago has nothing to do with what you are saying. This is purely political.
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28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Earthling,
The struggle in the middle east is political, not religious. Nobody ever got anything from god. I never debated that. The Ashkenazi Zionist Jews and the Pro-Ashkenazi Zionist Jew Christians are terrorists and nobody is going to back down to them. So, if the Ashkenazi Zionist Jews can't be convinced to capitulate, it's going to be all over but the shouting. But, I don't think that anyone wants it to be all over but the shouting. So, we'll see what happens.
What do you think?
cnnek
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22 November 2004
4 weeks 1 day
right,
this is a political fight between the Arabs and their supporters, and the Israelis and their supporters. You are among the Arab supporters. Ancient history has nothing to do with it.
Some of the Arab factions, fer example Hamas, want all Jews dead. I oppose that.
I also oppose blanket statements like "The Ashkenazi Zionist Jews and the Pro-Ashkenazi Zionist Jew Christians are terrorists". Mainly because they are factually false, and slanderous.
You seem to be saying that anyone who supports an Israel-friendly point of view is a terrorist. That is rather extreme.
What is also revealing about your closed mind on this issue is that you, judging by your own statement, started out with a pro-Arab view on this issue and then researched a historical reason for it. You found a very unlikely thesis, and you propose that to be "the truth", probably because it supports your anti-Jewish point of view.
That sort of stuff causes me to lose a lot of respect for you cnnek, that is what I think. It shows that on this particular point, your analytic mind has lost out to your emotions. And it has lost out to rather negative emotions at that. This is not a good sign.
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28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Earthling,
I specified; because, all Ashkenazis are not Zionists or Pro-Zionist. Generally speaking, those Non-Zionist Ashkenazi Jews and Non-Jews are fine people. Some of them live in Israel and more than a few of them are in Israeli prisons; because, they have openly opposed Zionism. I have actually researched this and I know what I am talking about. Furthermore, my statements will be verified by independent sources in the not so distant future.
Check what Mohandus K. Ghandi, aka.Mahatma Ghandi/Gandi G., had to say about Zionism. Check what other upstanding historical figures had to say. In fact, research this yourself.
I care about the environment and human rights. And, the Ashkenazi Zionist Jews are part of the problem, not the solution. But, the same can be said for BP. Why are the Ashkenazi Zionist Jews afraid of disarming along with everyone else? I have told the truth, I have sat and read the Babylonian Talmud and other Talmudic writings, and I have been ripped off by Ashkenazi Zionist Jews a few times, too. Yes, I have personal reasons for not liking Ashkenazi Zionist Jews and other Talmudic Jews; but, I have presented solid research. And, I will stand by my research! Furthermore, my understanding of Talmudic teachings is the reason that I would never take the word of a Talmudic Jew. I have also read the Koran and that is the reason that I would take the word of a Muslem over the word of Talmudic Jew or a Christian any day of the week. No, I have no respect for Talmudic Jews; but, my research is solid research! My research is never influenced by my personal opinion. But, no Non-Jew that is familier with the Talmud would take the word of a Talmudic Jew about anything. Ask around!
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
22 November 2004
4 weeks 1 day
I am just pointing out that your thinking is guided by emotions of distrust and dislike. I don't believe the results of your research hold water, based on the absence of evidence in the DNA of people living in the middle east today. I am sure books have been written that support your point of view - many books containing falsehoods have been written.
Israel has real enemies, that really want to exterminate the Israelis. It would be really silly for Israel to disarm. Perhaps you would not have a problem with that extermination.
Your research in this matter is not only influenced by your emotions, it is caused and guided by your negative emotions. That makes me doubt that your research has any value.
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28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Earthling,
I only had two Ashkenazi posts planned and I've posted them. So, now it's on to my next topic. When I decide what my next topic is, I'll post it. But, I might plan a third Ashkenazi post some time in the not so near future.
What do you think?
cnnek
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1 May 2004
4 hours 10 min
Genetic studies show that your Khazar theory is simply untrue. The Ashkenazi are the legitimate descendants of the Jews of ancient times. Seeing they have been repeatedly brutalized in Europe, including suffering the Holocaust, it is understandable why they would like to go home.
European Jews were permitted to resettle Israel by the Ottoman authorities, granted the land by the British Empire, and their state given the approval of the United Nations. During this process, the Brits unilaterally handed most of the promised territory (including, surprise, surprise, the oil fields) to the Moslems. Today that land is called Jordan. The U.N. approved a further partition, leaving the Jews with next to nothing.
The Moslem response was to conduct a genocidal attack. You see, the Koran demands the extermination of the Jewish race. Moslems were told to evacuate ahead of the attack which, of course, failed. Those who stayed are today Israeli citizens with rights and a franchise. Those who fled were bottled up by surrounding Moslem governments in camps where many remain. These populations are constantly taught the most vile hatred in the hope of using them as cannon fodder the "next time".
The horrible Jew forbears military action which he would undoubtedly win, supplies the so-called Palestinian with food, water, electricity, medical care, and jobs. Furthermore, the Jew is forbidden from praying in Judaism's most holy location, the Temple Mount. It might offend the Moslems he allows to run and use the site. Recently, the Israeli government plucked up thousands of its own citizens from Gaza in yet another pointless attempt to make peace.
Meanwhile, the Moslem straps bombs to women, children, the mentally challenged, and even farm animals. He rains rockets deliberately on residences and schools. He uses innocent civilians as human shields. He attacks and harasses Christians who possess no power to fight him. None of this is necessary to his cause. For these disgusting acts, there is NO excuse.
If the Moslem laid down his arms he could live and thrive in peace. We know this because the Israeli Arab demonstrates it. If the Jew laid down his arms, he would be killed. We know this because the "palestinian", whether HAMAS or Fatah, openly boasts of it.
Your assertions deny the Jew his dignity and his heritage in an attempt to condone others' ongoing crimes against humanity. If you want to help an Arab in terrorist-occupied Israel, you could try directing your efforts against HAMAS and jihadist Islam.
28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Delaiah,
Were your studies done by Ashkenazi Jews? My studies come from different scientific sources.
The Ottoman Sultan allowed some European Jews to settle, not resettle, in Palestine. The Ashkenazi Jews come from Khazaria and the Anti-Zionists Ashkenazi Jews will tell you that. So, Ashkenazi Jews couldn't resettle in a place that they had never been. Before very much longer, a tremendous amount of information is going to start coming out about the Ashkenazi Zionist Jews and Pro-Ashkenazi Zionist Jew Ashkenazi Christians and they won't like it. This information will come from Governments, Universities, Religious Organizations, Private Organizations, Anti-Zionist Ashkenazi Jews, etc.. Of course Hamas fights back! They are not going to lie down and be Ashkenazi Zioinist Jew Dogs! I'd take a Moslem's word over the word of an Ashkenazi Zionist Jew any day of the week.
Your propaganda about the poor little Ashkenazi Zionist Jews doesn't work on me. So, you are better off saving electrons. By the way, I've done a tremendous amount of research and I know what I'm talking about.
Besides, there is no god. So, nobody ever got anything from god. Did you know that god is dog spelled backwards? Maybe, if there was a god, god would be a dog!
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
23 October 2006
8 hours 14 min
cnnek, I've had a stroke, and generally don't discuss the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as it is a serious matter with lives at stake.
I am with those who are looking for any solution which prevents the loss of lives. The best solution I have seen is the one I set out before.
As I stated earlier, many people seem unable to understand the devastation which can be caused by modern scientific weapons of mass destruction. I would ask that before you give in to your anger to think of the children - have they asked for this?
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
14 April 2009
12 min 34 sec
The internet is big. It contains multitudes.
Your issues are your issues and belong to no one else. The same with everyone else here.
Everything is pornography; one person's dragging is another's thinking pleasure.
Realize that you, by communicating, are creating propaganda. Go out there and disseminate!
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All that lives is holy, life delights in life.
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28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Inannawhimsey,
Thank-you for your post.
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
30 April 2004
1 hour 34 min
Is it really necessary to drag this political issue everywhere? Can't we discuss other realms, ancients history, space travel and all those things in peace and quiet without being bothered by political propaganda?
Hi Earthling,
As editor of the site, I think it's worth pointing out that member blogs are not required to cover TDG topics...they are for personal use in any way. The exceptions are blogs that are spam, trolling, or those that incite hate. While I have some issues with the latter, given the sensitive topic being raised, I don't think Cnnek has broken any rules.
On a personal note, I find it worrying when I see high-energy posts against Israel/Zionists. Not because I think they are untouchable - certainly, I personally feel that in recent decades the state of Israel has traded off the sensitivity of Jewish persecution throughout history somewhat to impose itself in the Middle East with little criticism, so I believe that fair criticism of Zionism should be allowable without the usual 'Nazi' response. My concern is more that injustices are happening all over the world to various peoples, and to single out one particular group in such an 'enthusiastic' manner betrays something more than just objective research. I would urge Cnnek to meditate on that a little. TDG is a place where we pride ourselves on questioning not only 'orthodox' history, but also ourselves.
Kind regards,
Greg
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You monkeys only think you're running things
@DailyGrail
22 November 2004
4 weeks 1 day
I phrased that the wrong way. Since I always say that I am extremely supportive of free speech, I was being inconsistent about saying things should not be said. I stand corrected - presenting all views is essential.
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28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Greg,
I'm very concerned about injustice and suffering around the world. But, to address injustice and suffering, it must be exposed along with its causes. If a Turkish Relief Convoy headed for Gaza had not been attacked in International Waters by the Israeli Navy and if the world hadn't turned another blind eye as it has for over 50 years and if Israel had been given more than just another slap on the wrist, I wouldn't have written this blog. Most of the injustice and suffering in this world exists because People Don't Want To See! I learned that as a civil rights activist in the United States in the 1960's. People must be made to see! I like the other stuff on this blog, too. But, I don't use it to hide my head in the sands of pleasant thoughts.
This is my only blog. So, if I have something to post, I post it here.
What would happen if the Australian Navy attacked a Chinese Relief Convoy in International Waters? Think about it!
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
30 April 2004
1 hour 34 min
What would happen if the Australian Navy attacked a Chinese Relief Convoy in International Waters? Think about it!
Given the mentality of the modern Internet generation, I'd say there would be an outrage for a day, and then everyone would forget about it and have their attention deficits satiated by some idiotic thing on YouTube.
I hold little hope for our future, unfortunately.
Kind regards,
Greg
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You monkeys only think you're running things
@DailyGrail
28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Greg,
The way that things are in the world today, I hold no hope for the future. I think that it's all over but the shouting. And, that's a real pity!
Compared to me you are an optomist!
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
14 July 2008
9 hours 21 min
I second the message above.
The web is just packed full of political propaganda pages from both sides. Speaking for myself, I come here because it is one place where this sort of thing is not present to instigate, divide and incite members to argue.
I have no intention of addressing the subject itself... not here.
Have a nice day :)
"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it."
12 April 2007
2 hours 17 min
A message to my young Jewish brothers living in Israel:
A message for my young Palestinian brothers living in Gaza:
Shalom/Salaam —they even sound the same, dammit.
It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Red Pill,
When will people learn? ->How many roads must people walk down before they can hear people cry?<-{A paraphrase of a verse of the song "Blowing In The Wind" by Bob Dylan}
Shalom and Salaam come from the same root word and they are the same!
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
14 April 2009
12 min 34 sec
How can we understand?
By realizing that most of us just want to have a snog or two or five with our fellows, enjoy some fine wine, laugh with our friends, share in the collective shared human experience.
By realizing that, unfortunately, there are those who are suffering from a terminal case of impacted ego, who are in dire need of a surgical excision of that bit of dried narcissus in their collective tuckuses. It is unfortunate when these pessimancers get into positions of power and end up hurting the rest of us.
When we are wont to do things like this
or this
This is the real us. The real world.
Help fight this terrible illness that is being inflicted upon us. Of dreadful seriousness. Of cloying unmirth.
in related news:
Genetic closeness of Ash & Seph.
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28 June 2006
19 min 39 sec
Inannawhimsey,
The solution is for people to wake-up and get serious!
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
28 June 2006
19 min 40 sec
Inannawhimsey,
I couldn't respond to "The Closeness of Ash and Seph" until I found this url. I've backed-up everything I've posted with legitimate cross referenceable urls.
Genetically, everybody is very similar. Most of our differences are skin deep. But, these differences reveal our ethnic history.
The study on "Ash and Seph" hi-lite the ethnic differences between Ash and Seph. The similarities are shared by everyone.
Outside of the Bible Ash and Seph are not independently verifib le. So, I'm very sceptical about the historical existence of Ash and Seph.
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
14 April 2009
12 min 35 sec
Inannawhimsey,
I couldn't respond to "The Closeness of Ash and Seph" until I found this url. I've backed-up everything I've posted with legitimate cross referenceable urls.
Genetically, everybody is very similar. Most of our differences are skin deep. But, these differences reveal our ethnic history.
The study on "Ash and Seph" hi-lite the ethnic differences between Ash and Seph. The similarities are shared by everyone.
Outside of the Bible Ash and Seph are not independently verifib le. So, I'm very sceptical about the historical existence of Ash and Seph.
Hey there,
thanks for that lil youtube movie. That is an interesting model, there.
So, since you are very skeptical aboot the historical existence of Ash and Seph...then shouldn't you also be skeptical aboot your saying the Zionists are Ash which were Khazars?
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All that lives is holy, life delights in life.
--William Blake
28 June 2006
19 min 40 sec
Inannawhimsey,
It has been established that Ashkenazis, both Zionist and Non-Zionists, are Khazars. One of the sources that establishes this is a book called 'The 13th Tribe' which was written by a Non-Zionist Ashkenazi Jew. I'm merely questioning non-scientific and probably mythical biblical elements. Your the one who seems to believe in Adam, Eve, and the rest of that creation junk.
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
14 April 2009
12 min 35 sec
Inannawhimsey,
It has been established that Ashkenazis, both Zionist and Non-Zionists, are Khazars. One of the sources that establishes this is a book called 'The 13th Tribe' which was written by a Non-Zionist Ashkenazi Jew. I'm merely questioning non-scientific and probably mythical biblical elements. Your the one who seems to believe in Adam, Eve, and the rest of that creation junk.
Then you are contradicting yourself.
You wrote to me the following: "Outside of the Bible Ash and Seph are not independently verifib le. So, I'm very sceptical about the historical existence of Ash and Seph."
Since that book, 'The 13th Tribe' is outside of the Bible...shouldn't you then be very skeptical?
What I believe or don't is of no matter to what you have said and what you have not said, m'dear. That is an attempt to derail your responsibility for what you have written, which contradict themselves.
Have fun, m'dear.
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All that lives is holy, life delights in life.
--William Blake
28 June 2006
19 min 40 sec
Inannawhimsey,
The '13th Tribe is crossreferenceable outside of the Bible. The first thing inside of the Bible that is crossreferenceable is the Battle of Carcamesh and it's date is used as a reference to date everything in the Bible and in non-biblical ancient history. I'm simply refusing to accept fairy tails, legends, and folklore as accepted history. But, I would view the battle of Carcamesh as accepted history; because, I can cross reference it outside of the Bible.
That was clever word play; but, it doesn't work on me!:)
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
14 April 2009
12 min 35 sec
Inannawhimsey,
The '13th Tribe is crossreferenceable outside of the Bible. The first thing inside of the Bible that is crossreferenceable is the Battle of Carcamesh and it's date is used as a reference to date everything in the Bible and in non-biblical ancient history. I'm simply refusing to accept fairy tails, legends, and folklore as accepted history. But, I would view the battle of Carcamesh as accepted history; because, I can cross reference it outside of the Bible.
That was clever word play; but, it doesn't work on me!:)
You now should consider changing your statement to me: "Outside of the Bible Ash and Seph are not independently verifib le. So, I'm very sceptical about the historical existence of Ash and Seph."
Note that I'm not doing this to trip you up -- I don't play that online game. I'm just treating what you write as true and then trying to help you with the consequences of your words.
Because I don't believe in your theories. I don't disbelieve in them, either.
The way you write strikes me very much as a True Believer, someone who massages the facts to fit the theory, and who puts on the martyr hat whenever someone presents notions that don't fit with what they have come up with.
That is quite human.
Reality is nuance. All these fine words we write aren't the truth, but merely asymptotic attempts at finding the truth (especially when dealing with non-hard science). What I find people do is they find the Truth that they are most comfortable with and stick with that.
So we have people who blame Israel. We have people who blame the British. We have people who blame the Palestinians. And so forth. All of which 'solid evidence' can be found to support one's view.
Good luck to your and your BS (belief system) promotion; I don't think it will get beyond this little forum that you have here. I suggest that you stop using your 'these urls are self-evident, I will let you decide', as that doesn't work. Remember, we haven't been living inside your head :)
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All that lives is holy, life delights in life.
--William Blake
28 June 2006
19 min 40 sec
Inannawhimsey,
The Professors that had the strongest influence on my writing were also newspaper and wire service Journalists. Many of my Professors were professionals. In any case, I think that I probably write a little like a Journalist; but, I'm never editorializing.
I worked for much of my education. So, at different times, I either worked during the day and went to school at night or worked at night and went to school during the day. On weekends and during holidays, I stayed in libraries and did research. I still do research; but, I read the books online. My view points come from my research and I find accurate urls to document them.
Documenting and footnoting are second nature to me. And, I intend to continue to do it. Except for the Palestinian Cause, I'm not arguing for anything, especially not for a belief system. Religion means nothing to me and I have no respect for it. Furthermore, I could say the same thing about U.S. foreign policy. I'm arguing against a few things, i.e. religion in general, the Israeli occupation of Palestine, etc.
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
1 May 2004
2 weeks 6 days
Cnnek, you have no idea what you are talking about plain and simple. My family came from Hungary. How did they get to Hungary you may ask? The Romans did it!. You see, Hungary was Roman territory, a bit provincial, but none-the-less, Roman. As a matter of fact, it was their 'Wine Country' and they had a great many vinery plantations and wine making operations. My forefathers were Roman Slaves, shipped off to one of the most inhospitable regions of the Roman Empire. And they stayed Roman Slaves for hundreds of years. Then, sometime around the 300's, my forefather bought his freedom (we don't know how) and became one of many Jewish 'Freed men' who continued to live in the area. He had a small farm which grew into a bigger one generation after generation until it was taken away during some war or another in the 1500's. Thereafter, my family turned to cobblesmithing. An unbroken line of generations going back from the the 400's to the 1800's, with stories going back even further. My family tree is easily traced, and several in my family have made the pilgrimage to Hungary where many records were found. As for the the family that stayed in Hungary, all of them died during the Holocaust. And for those that say that the Holocaust never happened, I say, give me the Hungarian side of my family back (over 30 Uncles, Aunts and Cousins) and maybe I'll listen to you. Until then, I say, Shut the F' up!
28 June 2006
19 min 40 sec
AncientSkyMan,
It is true that I don't believe in anything! So, god gave me this or that means nothing to me. But, genetic evidence has shown that the Biblical Hebrews were Nigroid and that The Ashkenazi Zionists are from eastern europe. Therefore, the Ashkenazi Zionists have had no right to steal palestinian lands and terrorize palestinians. But, I'm sincerely sorry that the Holocaust ever happened! I've never said that the Holocaust didn't happen. I said that the Ashkenazi Zionists were not Biblical Hebrews and that the majority of them are terrorists. The Holocaust and the ligitimacy of the State of Israel are two separate issues for me. Like many other groups around the world, i.e. the untouchables in India, the European Ashkenazi Jews in the past, etc. , the Palestinians have been having their Civil Rights trampled upon by an oppressor. In Palestine, the Civil Rights of the Palestinians have been trampled upon by the Ashkenazi Zionists for over 60 years. I'm opposed to anybody that violates the Civil Rights of others. Furthermore, it is my opinion that support for the Nation State of Israel equates to support for and approval of the violation of Civil Rights. Therefore, I'm opposed to the Nation State of Israel.
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
1 May 2004
2 weeks 6 days
. . . you've already made up your mind. For those who are still sitting on the fence, a point for you to consider:
Q: What happens if you voice political dissent in Israel?
A: You form a new political party! (there are dozens in Israel)
Q: What happens if you voice political dissent in Hamas controlled Gaza?
A: You are murdered in the street and your body left for all to see.
Is what I say untrue? Find out for yourselves. Before you back a team, you should really know what they are all about, because as the team supporter, you will be judged along with the team.
1 May 2004
1 day 17 hours
Ancient Skyman, I cannot give you your family back and i certainly feel for your pain at their absence from your life, and since I dont say that the holocaust never happened i dont think that shut the fuck up applies to me. But i think there is a prima facie case that the holocaust MAY have never happened, and yet many millions of people were still victimised and died - such as Jews having their property stolen from them via Nazi Policy, being rounded up into ghettos and then being put into work camps. But there MAY not have been a deliberate policy of human extermination even though there was an intended and deliberate policy of ethnic cleansing.
I distinguish between ethnic cleansing and the human extermination of the holocaust. The former is a deliberate and targetted forced relocation that may result in many deaths including some murders, and the latter is a deliberate and targetted extermination policy of an ethnic group to prevent them from any possible contribution in the future of humanity. The latter necessitates murder of the ethnic group as a whole.
Is it possible for many of your family to have died during WW2 AND for the holocaust not to have happened? - That is, is it possible for Hungarians, Poles, Eastern European Jews, to have died during the war, but NOT from a deliberate policy of human extermination involving the use of gas chambers? Is it possible that gas chambers were used for fumigation and NOT for human extermination? And is it possible despite the evidence in favour of the existence of the holocaust? Even if that evidence also may come from your own family?
My great uncle, for example, fought in the RAF and died during the Battle of Britain. So, obviously he died during WW2 but NOT from the holocaust. But he was not Eastern European or Jewish.
One must care about the truth to seek it, and not care about the truth to find it.
Jameske
28 June 2006
19 min 40 sec
Jameske,
So, I only commented on the Holocaust in my response to "Shut the f*ck up" by Ancient Skyman. I should have explained that the Holocaust was a separate issue for me and that I was sorry that it happened in my origional blog post. But, I didn't and that was my fault. There is simply no association in my mind between the Holocaust and Palestine. So, I didn't get the point until "Shut the f*ck up" made it perfectly clear.
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
23 October 2006
8 hours 14 min
Ancient Skyman, I cannot give you your family back and i certainly feel for your pain at their absence from your life, and since I dont say that the holocaust never happened i dont think that shut the fuck up applies to me. But i think there is a prima facie case that the holocaust MAY have never happened, and yet many millions of people were still victimised and died - such as Jews having their property stolen from them via Nazi Policy, being rounded up into ghettos and then being put into work camps. But there MAY not have been a deliberate policy of human extermination even though there was an intended and deliberate policy of ethnic cleansing.
Jameske, the second volume of my History of Cosmonautics covered Hitler, von Braun, and German nerve gases.
The Holocaust happened. Some Germans set up factories designed to kill people, and they did so quite efficiently.
Anyone who tells you different is seriously confused, and doing so for reasons of their own.
By the way, Ancient Skyman, Hitler did not only intend to gas Jews, but a lot of other people as well, so don't feel so special.
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
1 May 2004
2 weeks 6 days
When entire villages and towns are rounded up and put into cattle cars with no food or water for days long journeys into well documented death camps, extermination is the ONLY word applicable. To try to make lame excuses about the vulgarities of war and paint over the pitch black of evil with a white-wash is just so unlike your previous insightful posts I'm left aghast. For your information, almost the entire Jewish population of Hungary, or nearly 500,000 men, women, and children, were reduced to ashes within weeks (May 15TH to July 8TH 1944). These numbers come from GERMAN documents, because they were ever so efficient those Germans. Thousands of eye witnesses, hundreds of survivors, thousands of photos and hundreds of hours of motion picture film. Read a little, open your horizons and maybe the truth will seep in.
For all you Jew haters out there, and I can tell there are plenty, here’s something for you to chew on:
Babylonian Empire = gone.
Seleucid Empire = gone.
Hittite Empire = gone.
Roman Empire = gone.
Byzantine Empire = gone.
Mamluk Empire = gone.
Spanish Empire = gone.
Czarist Russian Empire = gone.
Nazi German Reich = gone.
All the original Arab governments who attacked Israel = gone.
Jews in Israel and around the world = still here.
So it seems the real haters, the civilizations and societies that tried to exterminate the Jews all disappeared or were greatly diminished within a generation or two of their actions. . . any factual analysis based purely on statistics and history should show you this is true, and has been true for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. And for all you unbelievers out there, our Talmud says “God doesn’t need your belief to still be God”.
Shalom, and remember, our book tells us we're a light unto the nations, and for such a small % of population, our positive influence in such a wide array of human endeavor speaks for itself.
Final thought: who spends more to feed, shelter, clothe, provide medicine, jobs, power, and water to the Palestinians, even AFTER they started sending rockets and shells into Israel on a daily basis. Is it the Egyptians? The Saudi's? How about those Iranians? Maybe those Jordanians? The frisky Turks? Hmmm? Who?
You can hate the truth, but it won't change it.
Proud to be Jewish
ASM
12 April 2007
2 hours 17 min
I'm sorry, but that last part immediately made me remember this:
;)
PS: You were first talking about 'empires' and then you switched to people. Sure there empires crumbled to dust, but there are still living remnants of those civilizations around. Look for the Mayas still living in the tropical regions where their ancestors built those badass pyramids, for example :)
The fact is, all human empires crumble to dust. But the important thing is that we LEARN from them, lest we make the same mistakes they did.
It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
25 June 2010
1 year 46 weeks
I find it a sad day when an anti-Semitic hate monger posts on this otherwise wonderful site. His statements are all absolute lies. He knows nothing about the history of the Holy Land, Khazaria or the Talmud.
14 April 2009
12 min 35 sec
mlbennett,
Look at these descriptors: "sad", "anti-Semitic", "hate", "monger", "otherwise wonderful", "absolute", "lies", are, in some sense, category mistakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mi...).
By these words, you are telling us that those particular things ARE what you say they are and nothing else.
In the same way when, say, your boss at work has been really angering you, so you call them a 'b*stard', where what you are really saying is that you are ignoring all the past behaviours your boss has had and, at this moment, are treating him as a 'b*stard'.
So, since you have created these descriptors, since you own them, since you always have a choice, what are you going to do with them?
Forinstance, can you see any other descriptors that can be used in this case?
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All that lives is holy, life delights in life.
--William Blake
22 November 2004
4 weeks 1 day
Realistically, tbe original post is inviting responsed like that, and the original author knows that.
You inannawhimsey know that as well.
Your particular post is best classified as "blah blah blah", with about that level of intellectual content.
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We are the cat.
30 April 2004
1 hour 34 min
Your particular post is best classified as "blah blah blah", with about that level of intellectual content.
I disagree, I think that's a very interesting take on things (and it comes back to my point about topics of certain sensitivity, and how people react based on that). I would add that I think your response is fairly insulting Earthling.
I would agree with your first point about the 'inviting responses' though. While I think that some of those responses would not be fair ones, Cnnek should certainly expect these and respond with understanding and integrity. As I said, there is a level of 'enthusiasm' and focus on this topic in the post that does not reflect well (rightly or wrongly) on the intentions of the author.
Impartial, objective setting out of some facts, and a call for debate (on the facts), would be a much better way of approaching such a sensitive topic (eg. "Draw your own conclusions from the truth!" is the phrase a preacher would use, not a researcher).
Kind regards,
Greg
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You monkeys only think you're running things
@DailyGrail
28 June 2006
19 min 40 sec
(eg. "Draw your own conclusions from the truth!" is the phrase a preacher would use, not a researcher).
I phrased that very badly, didn't I?
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
28 June 2006
19 min 40 sec
Earthling,
Unfortunately for Greg and TDG, I got a reasonable responce. But, I've backed everything up with solid cross referenceable urls. You have a "Suspension of Disbelief" and I don't. From my perspective, if you can document it, nothing is wrong with it.
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Critically Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think Critically!!!}
25 June 2010
1 year 46 weeks
I will stick with these descriptors because they express the historic truth. My words were carefully chosen to be polite as I am a man of peace and I love this site. The original posting on this site was by a sick, hateful individual. I have pity on him, but not on the damage he and others like him do.
14 April 2009
12 min 35 sec
mlbennett,
My words were offered just as suggestions. Words like 'hate' and 'anti-Semetic' can be people's trigger-words...the OP obviously triggered something in you.
All I suggested is that you take a look at all the other possibilities, because I think people always have a choice. Look for the nuance, instead of the easy labels.
(ferinstance, if I were to come up with a descriptor for the OP, one of the words I would use is anti-Zionist)
I'm glad you're polite. That is something to be cherished in this online world :)
Good luck to you and your endeavours.
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All that lives is holy, life delights in life.
--William Blake
25 June 2010
1 year 46 weeks
The analysis of my word choice was quite interesting since I wrote a paraphrase of “Look for the nuance, instead of the easy labels” in a piece I recently wrote regarding retirement policy. And while I may have used some else’s trigger words, I consider hidding reality behind contrived terms like human caused disaster for terrorist attack far more critical. Personally, I have struggled for many years with the term anti- Zionist and now consider it an intellectual construct without reality. The makeup of the current Israeli population, and its demographic history since the Ottomans, simply show the fallacy of most anti-Zionism.
23 October 2006
8 hours 14 min
Anti-Zionist = those opposed to Israeli theft of Palestinian land
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas