Free Schapelle Corby

Indonesia relys on australia for most of its economy through tourism. I plead to australia to boycott the country and to stage a protest at the Perth Indonesian Consulate and at all the major city consulates around Australia, on Saturday 28th of May.

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Thomase's picture
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I may be wrong. I’m ashamed to not have followed this more closely, but didn’t she fly out of Australia? Wasn’t her luggage put on a plane, taken out of her control in Australia? It would seem to me that not only would Indonesians tourist trade be in jeopardy but Australia’s as well. I for one would be hesitant to fly to and from Australia today in this post 9/11 world when at least in America you are not allowed to lock your luggage so that it can be inspected at will no matter where you are flying. How could I feel safe flying back home to the US from Australia.

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G'day Thomase,

I can see your point but: does that mean that in the US, because your bags are not permitted to be locked, that if drugs are found in your bag it is always considered the responsibility of bag owner for the drugs 100% of the time?

That sound like anyone who travels under those rules places their trust in every employee in the US aviation industry. If that is the case, then what are the vetting procedures for all employees prior to employment? Were all employees post 9/11 subjected to new vetting protocals? Is there a standard procedure across the whole country which all airlines adopt?

If an individual cannot secure their own luggage, and therefore upon collection easily recognise whether the items have been tampered with, then how can the individual be 100% responsible for the contents?
AAiek

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Unless Corby wins her freedom on appeal, which I think is unlikely but not altogether impossible, the best she can hope for is that the Government will be able to negotiate a prisoner repatriation agreement. Once she's here, the public can exercise an enormous amount of political pressure and influence. While she remains in Indonesia, negative or anti-Indonesian public comment simply galvanizes Indonesian opinion against her - both public and judicial. I say let's NOT stage protests, or engage in other self indulgent displays of frustration and anger. Let's all take a breath, calm down, and let Corby's lawyers do their jobs at the appeal. If that fails, let's help the Govt negotiate a prisoner return agreement, by staying out of their way. If we piss the Indonesians off too much they're never going to let her come home. I know this approach sucks because it doesn't provide the satisfaction of being able to tell 'em where to stick it, however it really is the only way for the public to help Corby get back home.

Now having said all that, my gut-feelings on the question of Corby's guilt or innocence have wavered back and forth over the months as more information has come to light. I suspect I have intrinsically wanted to believe in her innocence in this matter and I admit to being influenced by a range of subjective factors. She is an atractive young Australian in a very vulnerable position, facing harsh judgement in a foreign country with a historically chequered relationship with Australia. Needless to say, her plight strikes a chord with our cultural penchant of 'barracking' for the underdog.

Having confessed my lack of objectivity in this case, I nevertheless find myself with some persistent nagging doubts about Corby's innocence, that is to say her complete non-involvement in the carriage of marijuana to Bali. I have nothing new to offer except more conjecture (and even that is probably not new). I am almost convinced (without attempting to convince others) that the marijuana was not intended for the Bali market, but not convinced that Corby was completely uninvolved.

I can offer no informed insights or considered line of logical reasoning, however I am left wondering if Corby WAS aware at check-in that there was (or would be) a 4.5kg package in her bag. BUT what if the package was actually meant to be removed in Sydney before proceeding onto Bali (as claimed in the baggage handler consipracy theory)? This would seem to be in line with the usual movement of drugs from lower to higher fiscal return markets. Her flight was Brisbane-Sydney then Sydney - Denpasar so there would have been easy access by a confederate at Sydney Airport when she changed planes. Did things just go awry, and are her protestations of innocence so convincing because she genuinely did not intend to smuggle marijuana into Bali? I really don't know.

Anyway, despite that I'm an uncool old fart, I think it incredible that all this fuss is about is a few kilos of grass (not crysto-methamphetamines, heroine or crack) being taken to a region which grows the stuff by the bushell anyway. Its a bit like eskimos legislating snow as an illegal import and then shooting anyone bringing it in. Perhaps Corby's mistake was in not offering to pay duty on the stuff. Technically guilty or not, let's help her get back home. Here's my subjectivity creeping in again.

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Some years ago sevral Jap tourist were found with drugs in their suitcase when going into OZ ,the authorities were very understanding by only giving them 10 years ,they got out last year ,why should OZ expect leniency for a real drug smuggler ,she had been several times and was probably making a mint.

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... and as I said in my previous post, I have some nagging doubts about the case, but I do think that a prisoner exchange or repatriation agreement would not be unreasonable or unwarranted. Not only for Corby, but any Australians imprisoned overseas wishing to serve out (some of)their sentences at home. I don't think of this as a form of leniency. It just my view that where the punishment levied is incarceration, it does not necessarily need to involve the inhuman and horrific prison conditions I've heard exists in some countries. I don't consider myself a bleeding heart but I also don't think justice requires criminals to suffer any sort of degradation or 'torture' we can dish at them (with maybe the exception of paedophiles - joking). So if she's guilty, Corby deserves to go to gaol but I still think she ought to be able to serve her time at home.

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I saw Henry Rollins perform in Brisbane last Tuesday night and he had a few choice things to say about the case. For instance he brought up facts like how much money we've given to indonesia in support for the tsunami relief. His basic thoughts were to suspend that aid until they saw it "our way" or in the future give no aid at all the next time a wave comes. I realise all that we know about the case is what we are told by the media but it seems that indonesia should have been willing to "play ball" as such with the Aussie government a little more. I think that maybe they would have though if not for the group of teenagers who got caught a few weeks back with the heroin strapped to themselves. It basically makes out that the only reason Aussies are going to indonesia is for drugs. Understanding though that indonesia has to be seen to be enforcing their laws I think every one realises that every government in the world regularly bends and breaks its own laws when convenient so its not like their hands are tied.

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Hi,

As you all know, Schapelle Corby is facing some ridiculous punishment for something in which she had no influence over.

I don’t think our politicians are doing enough for her, so our aim is to put pressure on them to really do something. I received an email from someone in Norway of all places, which basically said the general consensus in Norway is that they couldn’t believe our government is so weak.

OUR GOVERNMENT IS WEAK AND EVEN THE NORWEGIANS KNOW IT!?

There will be a PROTEST at Town Hall in Sydney and hopefully some other states will join in too in their places.

This protest will be at 12 Noon on Sunday the 5th of June, so hopefully you can make it since there isn’t any uni and hopefully no work and its after most church services if that’s your thing.

Posting comments and complaints on forums on the net, letters to newspapers etc is good, but not as good as solid action. So come on Sunday, and lets help our Schapelle!

The forum for this protest is at www.aitc.cc and its just started today (28th of May) so it needs some commenting…. (wink wink nudge nudge)

Go to the website, and come to the protest!

Please forward this email to fellow Schapelle supporters!

Over to you.

Gaz Hayes J
g.h@aitc.cc

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While I applaud the motivation and good intentions of those wishing to protest the Court's decision, I can't help but fear that public protests will do nothing but harm Corby's chances of winning an appeal or being able to come home on a prisoner-repatriation deal (which depends entirely on Indonesia's good will). I strongly suspect that Corby's legal defence team as well as Australia's political advisors would agree. Did foreign protests over Australian policy in Malaysia and Indonesia over the years make you stop and think Australia should step aside and capitulate to their demands?

Ask yourself this, what's more immportant, satisfying a need to vent anger and frustration or taking the harder and more productive road of staying calm and letting the defence team and the government get on with their jobs. We can always keep up pressure on our MPs through writing letters and presenting petitions. I and hundreds like me have witten repeatedly to our local MPS and to the Foreign Minister.

Anyway, go and do what you must - I just ask you to stop and think first.
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I've lost count the number of times my feelings on this have wavered back forth.

Yeah, I'm with you - she's the one wot dun it (and I don't think I'll be changing my mind in a hurry). My very first instinct when I read about the case was that she was very probably guilty as charged, however friends, family and media eventually influenced me to change my mind. Now I'm back to where I started.

I also agree with you that the verdict is not the key issue now, its the sentence. Twenty years for a bag of grass (albeit a big bag) seems excessive to say the least - although the Indonesians thinks she got off lightly.

I'm just an old fool, but you know my generation genuinely thought in the 60s that worldwide legalisation or at least decriminalization of grass was just around the corner. Boy, that 'corner' has been a long time coming.

Let's focus on bringing Corby home so that our judicial system can have a look at what's a fair rap. Until we get her back, we pretty powerless. Now, the harder question - what should we do with all those other Autralians being charged (or convicted) of drug smuggling around the region? Maybe they're just not pretty enough.

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They say there is "Honour amongst thieves" I wonder why the baggage handlers that are supposed to have "played" with the bags have not let it be known what happened, via a newspaper etc,they could remain anonamous,

I thought all the baggage points were protected by the security police, dogs etc, how can this still go on these days,

Just shows how we are led to believe that we are "secure" but are we??

Scary en it.

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I refer to recent comments made by Commonsense regarding the guilt of Schapelle Corby. I believe his comments were accurate and justified. I also agree Schapelle should not be serving twenty years in jail. With regards to Decriminalising Drugs I am astounded that Shadows and JOAF are pushing this barrow. They have not obviously seen the devastation that drugs can cause. I have seen families torn apart from various types of drug addictions. Whether drugs are legal or not does not detract from the fact that they are highly addictive. Addiction leads to desperation. As an ex law enforcement officer who remains open mineded re drug use I have seen the desparate attempts of many drug addicts to gain another hit. Armed Robberies, Murder, Break and Enter etc etc. When people become dependant on drugs they cannot function. They are unable to hold down jobs, participate in societal norms or maintain any financial security. No matter what price drugs, addicts will never have enough money for them, which leads to increase in crimes. May be someday Shadows and JOAF will become a victim to a desperate drug addicts attempts to score another hit and will change their antiquated views. The one dimensional view taken that drugs only hurts the user is justified but when the user becomes addicted society suffers. So get of your high horses and realise that we dont live in a perfect world where the government of the day can control and legislate the use of drugs among a band of people who cannot function let alone follow the law.

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When you refer to 'drugs', could you be more specific? Are you referring to the whole gamut of currently illegal drugs, which have been arbitrarily banned at different times for completely different reasons, mostly not to do with the effects of the drug at all?

But you can't be, because a large number of the illegal drugs are not addictive at all. So you can't be talking about them.

And if marijuana was legal, then money wouldn't be required at all. It's a hardy plant, and one that everyone could grow in their own home.

As for functioning, I think that most of the higher functioning human beings I have the pleasure of knowing have imbibed an illegal drug at some point. People are more impaired by the prejudices and lack of critical thinking.

Do some real research, please. You can start by being more specific about which 'drugs' you are talking about, and quoting research as evidence for your claim.

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Greg
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I'd type up an intelligent reply, but I'm too busy holding a spoon and lighter.
;)

After that, I'm off to steal some bread.

Peace and Respect
Greg
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I promised myself to leave these Corby posts alone but this is just classic. LMAO, Greg there is a whole new side to you I never knew. I mean the poster made such an intelligent argument that I am convinced beyond doubt. Actually I don't agree with legalising all drugs but agree that some that are leagal should be illegal, but I realy do not know enough to make a valid comment on that. Take care Greg and remember to "Just say NO" LMAO, I have to go now before I wet myself with laughing.

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By your statements, it is obvious that you have very little knowledge regarding the drugs you refer to, and the differences between them. It is you that appears to be the fool in this case, and readily consume all the rhetoric the Govt dishes out. There are major differences between speed and grass in all aspects. They are not comparable, except for their legality.

AAiek

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...because every single word you wrote can be applied to alcohol and it's legal.

If you really are an ex-law enforcement officer then you will have seen the personality types that become drug-addicted.

I know first-hand about drug addicts and in every single case when offered a chance withdrawal from the addiction the decision was made to continue with it.
The same happens with alcoholics.

Check out the recidivism rate with both addictions.

I have seen a doctor on TV who treats drug-addicted people and claims some success, but was forced to admit after a documentary was made about his practice that there is barely any rate of cure.
In fact, the publicity and attention given to these addicted people attracted more needy souls and exacerbated the actual use of drugs amongst them.

Just as you choose to take a drink of alcohol, you choose to take drugs.
If it was available and clean there would be less of the desire for it as we know how teenagers are when told they cannot have alcohol.
Then they go through an inane stage of wanting to drink everything until most of them adopt a more responsible attitude to alcohol.

Over the years I have heard more sad stories of family tragedies from alcohol than I have ever heard of from drugs.

As to being victims of drug addicts, I've been that, but I've been a victim of alcoholics far more.
One day I should tell you of the deaths in my family due to drunken drivers.My loved ones were innocent.
None of these tragedies were caused by drug sozzled drivers.

If you have been in law enforcement you are surprisingly ignorant.

shadows

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Yeah thats it lets decriminalise marijuana and have more people being killed on our roads. The present illegality of marijuana consumption is what stops few morally correct people consuming the drug. Decriminalising will place much higher strain on all facets of society such as employment rates, mortality and health welfare rates. I have scraped many a person off the road from drunk and drug induced drivers. We have enough problems in society today as it is with alcohol let alone adding fuel to the fire. I cannot beleive your ignorance to think there are benefits to be had by society by placing another mind altering drug on the open market. (the other one being alcohol)

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These are not the comments of someone who has been in law enforcement and claims to have a open-minded attitude about these issues.

If that was true then you would be endorsing the calls to legalise marijuana. Everyone who reads the statistics realises that there are far more health related issues noted against alcohol and probably caffine consumption than there is documented against marijuana.

The person you criticise has worked with addicts for many years in the health industry, and has much first hand experience.

Why do you think the arrest rates on new years eve all around Aust have dropped significantly over the past 10 years? The Police doing a better jub: no.

It's because kids are consuming drugs other than alcohol for social enjoyment which have different side effects other than violence.

Get off your right wing pedestal and open your mind. I did. I have the same background as you do!
AAiek

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'Commonsense',

Please note: I tolerated your multiple posting (otherwise known as spamming) the first time around. This time I have deleted all of them except this one. Next time your account will be deleted. Please post one message only.

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Greg
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Ah, a troll. How stimulating.

Greg
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I see you are still lurking around like a bad smell.

Can we hear some of your exploits?
What is it about you that makes you think you know anything, because I think the same as Greg, that you are a troll.

And you haven't got your anti-drug message through to me at all, silly little Common.

One day maybe, you might be in a lot of pain and if only the government would allow you to grow a bit of grass you could ease your pain by using it as a drink or a smoke or even in your double-fried possum batter.

I am always saying to people like you to never assume.

shadows

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Commonsense:

This sort of bullying/threatening post is unacceptable. This is a final warning to you - pull your head in or your account will be deleted.

I am leaving this post here for two reasons:

a) Otherwise you will see fit to call me a censor.
b) So people can see for themselves what sort of personality you are.

I leave it in your hands.

Greg
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Commonsense's account has been deleted, after fair warning.

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Greg
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Bit late as your allready gone. Anyway I am wary of any changes to legalise drugs, I am a smoker who thinks the damm things are very bad and should be banned. I don't drink. SO in a way I am from your side of the fence. However you do no good by putting your point across in such a poor way. Logical debate is a very good way to work things out. School boy tactics like name calling only go to show how immature your thoughts are. I don't always agree with Greg's or even Shadows point of view but I am man enough to know that people sometimes don't see eye to eye and that everyone is entitled to thier point of view (lol yes even Oscar) We learn by discussion and hearing th eother side of things. It appears that you have no intention of doing this, therefore why are you on a site that promotes discussion on alternative topics?

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shadows