Jupiter shift wreaked havoc on the solar system.
Posted by Robert Soul at 14:35, 23 Oct 2009Hi all,
In response to the Jupiter shift pelted inner planets with asteroids
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3085/...
In the theme of Velikovsky’s works, in my first book ‘An Ancient world in Chaos’ (and on my web) I proposed that Jupiter having being impacted by a galactic interloper gave birth to Venus along with countless tons of debris which caused a solar-system-wide catastrophe. The solar system looked like a spinning top (Sun in the centre) as tons of debris bombarded, and continued to bombard every single body in the solar system - a process that continued for over 3,000 years (and is still continuing). From the perspective of earth, the very same dust, gasses and debris hazed the Sun red, exactly as depicted by the Ancient Egyptians.
I believe the above article offers a modicum of support for my thesis, only we have to lose this absurd ‘billions’ of years scenario. The cataclysmic bombardment occurred only a few thousands years ago, and I would also suggest that many of the lunar rocks originate from Mars – blasted off the Martian surface as it entered into close encounters with earth (a prediction).
GG
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21 February 2009
15 weeks 5 days
Hi Robert,
I have had a look at your website. You have put a lot of effort into this. I was just wondering to what degree you feel it is necessary to engage with the mainstream; whether you would value the opposition or whether your ideas are more cultish and intended to stand aside as a more mythological proposition?
7 December 2007
26 weeks 3 days
Hi Daydreamer,
I’ve no fear of locking horns with mainstream since time, new discoveries, and yet more ‘surprises’ in cosmology will eventually prove me to be right on the mark.
My ‘Nonexistent Battles of the Pharaohs Challenge’ is indicative of this. It goes something like this.
“I would like to challenge Egyptologists and archaeologists to provide substantial archaeological evidence for any of the major Pharaonic battles that are supposed to have occurred in ancient times. I am not referring to a few broken bones, the occasional sword, a battle axe or even a few broken chariots. The Egyptians fought numerous battles over a 3,000 year period and therefore there should be an abundance of archaeological evidence including the bodies of tens of thousands of dead soldiers.
This really is the crux of the matter - Egyptian or otherwise, where are the hundreds of thousands of soldiers killed in action from ancient times?
I can provide evidence from the surfaces of Mars, Mercury and the Moon as these heavily cratered planets provide the real legacy of pharaonic battles.
This is a crucial point because if I am wrong, if concrete evidence is provided, my theory would fall apart and that would be the end of the God King Scenario (GKS). I am prepared to take this risk because I am confident that my theory as presented is accurate and entirely correct.”
I wonder how many other alternative authors would be brave enough to put their theory right on the line?
I wrote to a few Egyptologists with the above, of the few that bothered to reply one partially agreed with me that there is a problem with the archaeological evidence but he also added some of the battles undoubtedly took place.
I intend to write to a few more scholars in the future, in the meantime at the very least, I take comfort from sowing the seed of doubt, and hopefully inspiring a few Egyptologists into talking about good old fashioned EVIDENCE!
Nonexistent Battles of the Pharaohs
http://www.gks.uk.com/gks7/
Regards
Gary Gilligan
21 February 2009
15 weeks 5 days
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the reply.
I'm a geologist so i would be quite interested the evidences based on Martian, Lunar etc features.
As for hundreds of thousands of bodies being left after ancient battles; its an interesting idea. If you were able to show that specific battles had not occurred why would this not simply reflect on historical accuracies rather than being specifically positive evidence of your own idea?
I'm not sure how the ancient Egyptians disposed of their dead. For our culture you could find some mass graves from the holocaust or giant graveyards that might, if cautious, indicate to future historians the common death coinciding with the Second World War. However i am not aware of any major body dumps at the sites of major battles of more recent times. The archeological evidence still available from battles in the First World War, Boer War and American Civil War consists of such things as shot, insignia still strewn across the battlefield locations. I am not aware of mass numbers of skeletons at these sites. In the Battle of the Somme some 1.5 million were killed, but i'm still not aware of being able to dig down and find all the bodies. Can you educate me as to what was different about ancient Egyptian life philosophy to ours that meant they were just left afterwards?
Kind regards
Ben
22 November 2004
14 hours 32 min
I'm not so sure about the size of these ancient armies. For one thing, there were not that many people in ancient days. And the ancients did have a common and likeable tendency towards exaggeration.
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7 December 2007
26 weeks 3 days
Hi earthling,
'Exaggeration' or not, I'm more interested good old fashioned archeological evidence to verify whether or not the numerous battles recorded on temple walls actually occurred.
Regards
GG
22 November 2004
14 hours 32 min
I'm not sure about taking absence of evidence here as evidence of absence.
Take more recent examples. We still are not quite certain about where the Varus battle took place, yes we are pretty sure that it did. And that one was significant, it's pretty well documented, and people have been looking.
If you consider that the ancients didn't have metal armor in large quantity, what evidence is there to find? Considering also that any expensive metal (i.e. all metal in those days) laying around dead soldiers will have been recycled by now.
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7 December 2007
26 weeks 3 days
Earthling wrote:
We still are not quite certain about where the Varus battle took place, yes we are pretty sure that it did.
GG
But Megiddo is the known location of at least 34 of antiquities bloodiest battles and they’ve been digging there for over a 100 years, still no archaeological evidence.
Earthling wrote:
If you consider that the ancients didn't have metal armor in large quantity, what evidence is there to find? Considering also that any expensive metal (i.e. all metal in those days) laying around dead soldiers will have been recycled by now.
GG
Lets see, bust chariot parts, bust wheels, stone parts they used for the reigns as well as for decoration (similar to those found at the ancient city of Piramesses). Bust arrow heads, hand axes, broken spears. Dead and mutilated horses, broken horses bits. All unrecyclable. The mutilated skeletal remains of thousands of soldiers, enemy or otherwise including decapitated corpses and limbs strew about the place among the debris of warfare. Since it was the practice of the Egyptians to cut of the right hands of the enemy, countless thousands of corpses with their right hands missing.
What we would expect to find at the known location of numerous battles is something along the lines of the discoveries at Ribemont-sur-Ancre dated to c. 3rd century BC
“In Ribemont-sur-Ancre north east France an extraordinary excavation has uncovered hundreds of human skeletons, revealing a startling picture of a Celtic cult death.”
“We are inside an enclosure from the 3rd century BC. Over there north of the enclosure we found a construction made of human bones, bits of arms and leg from about 200/250 people. And then beyond the enclosure there was another large deposition of human remains, this time completely jumbled up, with their weapons, swords and shields.”
(Source; Documentary Alexander the Great)
Also from Ribemont-sur-Ancre
“The bone remains show a masculine population, several hundred strong, of which many bear traces of blow. Skulls and pieces of Skulls are conspicuous by their absence, implying that these men had all been decapitated and their heads placed elsewhere. The presence of a large number of weapons associated with these humans suggests that these were warriors killed in combat.”
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=f899x...
Pretty normal really, and this is presumed to be just one battle!
Gary Gilligan
http://www.gks.uk.com/
7 December 2007
26 weeks 3 days
Hi daydreamer,
Daydreamer wrote:
>>I'm a geologist so i would be quite interested the evidences based on Martian, Lunar etc features.
GG
Fact: Mars, the ‘God of War’ (a very apt epithet) was once an earth-like planet in every sense. It was home to vast oceans, land masses, an atmosphere and a protective magnetic field. Planetary scientists do not know how Mars became transformed into its now frozen desolate state. They purport it undoubtedly underwent through a series of major catastrophic events but they believe this occurred millions of years ago. I disagree and propose Mars, as reported by ancient cultures, was observed ‘battling’ itself to death in the skies above earth only a few thousand years ago. The geological evidence of which reaches us, not only through the loss of it its vast oceans, atmosphere, magnetic shield but also in the fact that the Martian surface was once its molten (glowing red hot) and its debris strewn (rocks and dust) surface it littered with thousands of impact craters - the legacy of wars in the heavens, or as I contend, the legacy of Pharaonic battles.
Fact: the Moon is pitted with countless thousands of impact craters some of which (the black blotches we call the Maria) can be seen with the naked eye. Its surface has been pulverized over and over again covering the Moon with rocky debris to a depth of some believe several kilometres. This is the geological evidence of the Moon’s battle scared past.
I actually believe the lunar rocks brought back from the Apollo missions all originate from Mars - Blasted of the Martian surface only a few thousands years ago and 'battled' up by the Moon. As with the recent ‘surprise’ water (origin Mars) found on the Moon I look forward to future probes confirming this.
Daydreamer wrote:
>>As for hundreds of thousands of bodies being left after ancient battles; its an interesting idea. If you were able to show that specific battles had not occurred why would this not simply reflect on historical accuracies rather than being specifically positive evidence of your own idea?
GG
It’s not as though we don’t know where to look. Archaeologists have been digging at Megiddo, the accepted location of numerous Pharaonic battles for over a hundred years and yet no corroboratory evidence exits to verify some of ancient histories bloodiest battles. It was even discovered that Megiddo wasn’t even fortified! This is a big problem for Egyptologists and historians. I would also add, strange how archaeologists randomly find arrow heads belonging to the Clovis people dated to around 30,000 year ago, dinosaur bones from 65 millions years go, and yet excavating at the known site of many ancient wars reveals nothing – 3,000 years of battles – NO CRIME SCENE!
daydreamer wrote:
>>I'm not sure how the ancient Egyptians disposed of their dead
GG
They mummified them. Hundreds of mummified Egyptians are disinterred every year. Some, chance discoveries others at known archaeological sites.
The Egyptians were resurrectionists they believed you would literally get up and go in the next world and in order to do this the body had to be preserved in this life. This was crucial to Egyptian belief, no preserved body, no afterlife among the stars. The Egyptians also believed that you had to be buried on Egyptian soil, if you were not, again no afterlife.
Given the above, and in regards to the countless of soldiers that fought in Egypt’s battles, the question remains, where are the many thousands of mummified fallen soldiers? Nowhere in Egypt (or beyond) do we find mass war graves, cemeteries, or even cenotaphs that correlate with the many hundreds of ‘scared' battles recorded on temple walls throughout the Nile Valley. It seems the veneration of those killed in action just doesn't exist in Egypt or beyond its borders – nowhere will you find “here lies, killed in action, fighting for king and country at Megiddo” – nothing! Given Egypt’s obsession with the afterlife and mummification this just doesn’t make sense.
It’s important to note, I’m not for one minute suggesting the Egyptians never engaged in warfare, they doubtless did, for you cannot record a battle scene unless you actually experience one. I am contending the sacred iconic ‘god with the upraised arm’ (found throughout the ancient world) scenes on temple walls are time honoured recordings of wars in the heavens and have little if anything to do with events here on earth.
Regards
Gary Gilligan
22 November 2004
14 hours 32 min
You say
Have you worked out the orbital mechanics, how long it took these rocks to get there?
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7 December 2007
26 weeks 3 days
Earthling wrote:
Have you worked out the orbital mechanics, how long it took these rocks to get there?
GG
I doubt the exact orbital mechanics will ever be known. My role, as I see it is to show people where ‘recent’ cosmic chaos is written down in history, mythology the means by which most catastrophists use to support their theory comes a close second.
That said, physicist and catastrophist writer J Ackerman in his two books Firmament & Chaos presents a model whereby Mars locked on to Earth (geosynchronous orbit) above the Himalayas for 15 years at a time (i.e. 15 on 15 off) and some Electric Universe theorists also present some good orbital mechanics.
Ackerman’s web http://firmament-chaos.com/
The rocks on the Moon were deposited during 3,000 years of celestial chaos from the period approximately 3200 BC to around the birth of Christ.
Gary Gilligan
http://www.gks.uk.com/
21 February 2009
15 weeks 5 days
Hi Gary,
I like your question about the lack of archeological evidence and you are obviously well read on the claimed history and problems with it. Personally i would be more tempted to see the lack of evidence you claim exists as more of an indicator of inaccuracy in the 'historical' record. Personally i am not even so sure that ancient history can be considered the same subject as modern history; so often the archeological evidence differs. Especially given that even the last 100 years is not clear cut and has still been written by the victor and all that. Who knows how much of what remains is ancient propaganda, bravado, nationalism, Kings and Queens enforcing the views they want held etc. How certain are we of ancient agendas.
As far as the planetary theories go it is hard for me. I don't think i can say anything really. For you to be right absolutely everything i understand must be wrong and in light of that framework i would have nothing of use to say.
I think you may well be correct (for all i know) about ancient records of great battles actually recording metaphorical or metaphysical battles, but as for the astrological and geological claims...
Are you open-minded to the idea that this part of your idea might not be correct? I am not sure that even the electric universe is enough of a change to allow for all the geological implications you suggest.
7 December 2007
26 weeks 3 days
Hi Dreamweaver,
The bottom line is If we were talking about one or two battles I wouldn’t be here, however, the fact is we have hundreds if not thousands of wars over a 3,000 year period that remain unverified by good old fashioned archaeological evidence – this just doesn’t make sense.
Am I open minded? Absolutely, this subject covers so many disciplines and I don’t profess to know all of them. Here we are discussing only a small fraction of my theory and I’ve only just finished my second book (Comet Venus) on the subject. I have ideas for many more books, in fact material is something I’m not short of and support for my thesis seems to mount even as we speak. For example, more evidence to suggest Mars was warm and wet only a few thousand years ago
http://www.dailygrail.com/node/8102
GG
http://www.gks.uk.com/
22 November 2004
14 hours 32 min
You wrote:
I doubt the exact orbital mechanics will ever be known.
I take that to mean that you haven't looked at this part of it.
I asked because you say that these rocks got from Mars to the Moon very quickly. They started going a few thousand years ago, at a time when the Egyptians wrote their stories. So this requires serious acceleration, and we are talking about a lot of material here.
This part
...J Ackerman in his two books Firmament & Chaos presents a model whereby Mars locked on to Earth (geosynchronous orbit) above the Himalayas for 15 years at a time (i.e. 15 on 15 off) and some Electric Universe theorists also present some good orbital mechanics.
is a part I have serious problems with. For similar reasons, it requires very large acceleration of the planets, to synchronize the orbits.
I followed your link to the firmament-chaos website. It proposes, among other things, that Venus, Mars and Earth had some kind of synchronous on-and-off orbital patters not very long ago, as you aid. But again no physics whatsoever, it seems strange.
The orbital mechanics must be known to someone who, like Ackerman, describes the orbits. This is not magic.
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We are the cat.
7 December 2007
26 weeks 3 days
earthling wrote:
>I take that to mean that you haven't looked at this part of it.
GG
On the contrary, it means I have taken the time to read Ackerman's two books and not merely glanced over his web. In his books he presents some good physics to back up his model.
http://www.gks.uk.com/
22 November 2004
14 hours 32 min
You said that the orbital mechanics may never be known.
So Ackerman in his books doesn't know either, is that correct?
Of course I ask because it seems very hard to explain the acceleration of such large masses. The velocities required by the proposed old orbits, and today's observed orbits, are quite large.
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We are the cat.
14 July 2008
51 weeks 1 day
I glanced over your website but don't have time at this moment to really explore it in any depth.
My first blush take on it would be that this is a bit similar to what is offered from thunderbolts.info and a video called 'Symbols of an Alien Sky'. The multi-part vid is also available at youtube...
As soon as I have the time to offer it, I'll give your website the attention it deserves and respond again here.
Thanks :)
"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it."
7 December 2007
26 weeks 3 days
Hi Redoubt,
Thanks for glancing over my web. I am a supporter of the EU theorists, i believe them to be correct except for the mythology bits.
If you can get over the 'this guy's is insane' part I look forward to your comments.
Gary Gilligan
http://www.gks.uk.com/
14 May 2005
38 weeks 3 days
I have not looked at the sites mentioned, I only have read what is posted here.
But while looking at the comments, I had a thought.
Where did all of the mummies come from that used to be burned as fuel? I remember reading that so many mummies were found in the past that they were considered useless and used as fuel for trains and many other things. Anyone know about this? Thanks.
Donna
Edited after a search. I guess it was a myth.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read...
Should have looked it up first! :)