Solve et Coagula
Posted by Paolo at 21:05, 18 Oct 2011Solve et Coagula
An optimistic look at how we can progress the study of paranormal and occult subjects.
I have been thinking a great deal about quantum theory recently and the increasingly popular claim that we will find the answer to mysteries such as psychic phenomena and magic within its folds. I must admit that whilst I would be happy to see a comprehensive, and above all working theory of this phenomenon emerge, I am sceptical, highly sceptical in fact that this is the direction we need to be looking in to explore this phenomena.
Even since the earliest "scientists" looked at the world and concluded that reality was composed of four elements; earth, air, fire and water, magicians have been jumping on the bandwagon and claiming that these components were also the substrata of magic. For example let us look at the Victorian idea of the luminiferous ether which was proposed as the medium through which light as a wave propagates as it travels. The idea is that just as a sound wave travels through air, so therefore if light were a wave it must also travel through a substance analogous to air; this substance was dubbed the ether. As soon as this idea was proposed it seems that occultists (particularly Theosophists) jumped on this and used the term etheric in an occult context; claiming that the substance of the bodies we walk about in when experiencing an "out of body experience" is etheric. Science moved on and disproved the idea of the ether, leaving us with some rather embarrassing jargon.
We see another example of occultists trying to appropriate scientific concepts with another favourite, DNA. Theories arise which attempt to explain phenomena such as reincarnation with "Genetic Memory" because it sounds scientific and therefore attracts a pseudo-acceptability and proxy-respectability. Let us disprove that one now as a quick aside. Many accounts of reincarnation include a description of the subjects’ death. If genetic memory were an explanation I would like to know how these memories get into the DNA since one is very unlikely to have children to pass on the DNA at or after death. As a final nail to its coffin, let us remember that (with the exception of the odd random mutation) DNA does not change through life, so the idea that it is a reservoir for memory is preposterous, since if it doesn’t change therefore it is not the store to which new memories are added.
Another example concerns uninformed people putting the effect of the moon down to gravity, which is pure nonsense. I do not doubt in the slightest the emotional effects of the moon; in fact Selene is happy to give me a full dose of depression whenever she is fully lighting our sky, however gravity clearly cannot be the answer. First of all, the amount of moon does not change through its 28 day cycle, all that changes is the amount of the moon which is reflecting light; the position of the sun dictates how much illuminated moon-surface we can see from Earth; that is all. So since the gravity of the moon does not change, that cannot be responsible you’re the common mood-swings many many people experience in sympathy with the moon.
The more astute person might cite the tides as evidence of the moons effect, however whilst; with the correct equipment; it is perfectly possible for the tides in a teacup to be detected; I doubt that they are relevant here. Tides work because the gravitational pull of the moon changes due to the location of the moon in relation to the earth (or more particularly bodies of water on earth). So as the moon travels round the earth it is basically pulling the water with it. If I were to stand perfectly still for 24 hours, the moon may well pull the various fluids in my body with it as it circles us. However this must have a cancelling effect since I do not stay very still during the day, and probably face each direction for an approximately equal period each day.
Please remember (and I will repeat this) that whilst I am totally against these pseudoscientific explanations I do not doubt that the phenomena that it is trying to explain exists. Elemental Magic does work, Out of Body experiences do happen and memories reaching back into to past lives do exist. I have experienced each of these on occasional and absolutely accept their existence. It is the explanation of the phenomena that I am objecting to since it is leading us onto a blind path.
I feel very much that we are doing something very similar with quantum theory. It is as if people are taking something which they don’t understand such as psychic phenomena and then taking something else that they do not understand such as quantum theory and saying that this mysterious thing explains that mysterious thing. It is very worrying logic and I feel that it is of a similar vein to what occultists have been doing since we first discovered that we can travel out of out body, pick up on thoughts and emotions and encounter ghosts and other entities and then desperately trying to make it acceptable by plugging in the science of the day.
In "The Character of Physical Law" super-genius Richard Feynman said "I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics". This is true and quantum theory is very unintuitive. It, along with Einstein’s general and special theories of relativity are the two most tested theories in all of human history. Both are shown to be correct to a high degree of accuracy and alleged superluminal neutrinos at CERN aside, it is fairly safe to say that both models of reality describe our universe very well and whilst there are incompatibilities between the two models; quantum and relativity; these will doubtless be ironed out in time with a theory of everything. It doesn’t even matter if exceptions to these laws are found such as the recent CERN news, between them, they still describe the (physical) universe to both an infinitesimal and cosmic level of detail. Newton’s models of celestial mechanics also break down in certain areas such as close to a black hole. It doesn’t mean that they is wrong, just that it is only accurate to a certain scale; which in this case happens to be finer that that described between quantum and relativity physics. If Newton were wrong we would not have been able to get to the moon using his laws of motion, if Einstein were wrong, in-car Navigation systems would not work since the constant triangulation calculations they need to make must factor in relativity.
As an aside, we must also be wary of sensationalism. The media are happy to claim that Einstein has been proved wrong with the finding of alleged superluminal neutrinos, however even if this is the case; general relativity (which is general because it includes gravity in its description of nature) only says that one cannot accelerate from rest to the speed of light and beyond. There is nothing about starting from rest then moving straight to a superluminal speed or of particles travelling this fast without ever slowing down (although we do not have a clue how to do this or whether it is possible). Theories and mathematics have also modelled particles called Tachyons (small fast ones) which only travel faster than light and these remain within the allowable parameters of relativity. Like Newton’s celestial mechanics we will doubtless find exceptions to Einstein’s rule and areas such as nanoseconds after the big bang where the rules break down and that is fine, all we are talking about are levels of accuracy. All these areas within our universe are explainable by science, and the fuzzy bits which we cannot explain will one day be explained.
I also feel that is it imprudent to attack science and say that these are only theories. The term theory is often used to say that "therefore scientists only think this is the case". In mathematics we can produce theorems which are seen as a proof because the expressions of mathematics show that such a theorem is universally true.
So if we consider Fermat's last theorem that "no three positive integers a, b, and c can satisfy the equation an + bn = cn for any integer value of n greater than two". For a long time the proof to this statement was a mystery; in fact Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation pondered this in an episode. However in 1994 a mathematician Andrew Wiles established a final proof that this was the case 358 years after Fermat scrawled a note in a margin of a book describing something he knew but did not elaborate upon.
Basically a theorem such as we find in mathematics can be indisputably proven. Let us take another theorem; that of Pythagoras who stated that in any right angle triangle, the areas of the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides. This can be expressed as a2 + b2 = c2. There is not a single right angled triangle in the universe which breaks this rule and this can be shown because every single right angle triangle in the universe can be mathematically modelled and expressed within Pythagoras’s theorem.
Theories rather than theorems are what are found in physics. This is because at its root physics is concerned with observing and describing nature and then making predictions upon its behaviours. Because philosophically we cannot check all of nature in an exhaustive way such as we can verify all of mathematics, we refer to these models as theorems.
Let us take an example. I have a theory that “all swans are white.” I cannot call this a theorem because in order to do so I would need to examine all swans and show that each one is white. Since that is impossible we can never we absolutely sure; however since each scientist, using concepts such as repeatability and peer review always comes up with the same results we can be fairly sure that as a description of reality, this is accurate. So, let us not get hung up on the term “theory”. To all practical intents and purposes they can be treated as “practically proof” and whilst exceptions may be found, all that this means is that that the theory will need fine-tuning, it is still basically correct. With the recent CERN results; supposing that they are vindicated in peer review; all that it means is a tweak to relativity; it will not be a sensationalist case of throwing relativity out of the window, whatever reporters tell you.
The other point I wish to make with regards to scientific models is that generally they are all connected to each other and never really stand in isolation. The exception seems to be the apparent inconsistency between quantum mechanics and relativity. However generally speaking, the findings of physics, chemistry and biology are all interconnected and consistent. We can use the physics explanation of electron shells to explain the properties of a particular chemical in chemistry and the chemistry of a protein; DNA; to explain the properties of a particular organism etc. This is important because the consistency between the physical sciences show that a unified and consistent model of reality is being built up; a fact which further adds to its strength as a valid description of nature. To find a fatal flaw in one of these is to find a flaw in everything and such an unthinkable finding would go against the conclusions of many modern researchers in the field.
The above statement is very important because it shows that research is more-or-less on the right track. There is of course room for new things, however the consistency of each description of reality suggests that science is unlikely to experience any paradigm shifts such as discovering a fifth force. If such a force were to be discovered, the mathematical models which describe the physical mechanics will fall over, which means our models in chemistry will fall over and so will our models of biology etc. The fact that everything fits together so consistently strongly suggests that this is unlikely to happen and that science is therefore correct in describing (physical) reality.
One aspect of quantum theory I have particular trouble with in relation to the paranormal is quantum entanglement. This is described very well on its Wikipedia page. Essentially it has been shown that two particles (typically electrons or photons) which have been paired show predictable behaviour in particular defiance of Heisenberg when separated. This occurs when paired properties (such as energy and location) are measured. Heisenberg’s uncertainty principal shows that with a single particle you cannot measure both properties because the act of observation affects the properties.
The relationship between entangled particles is profound however. If you were to measure a property of a single entangled particle, say spin (which can be either up or down) and find it is an up spin, the entangled particle will always be the opposite. This is an important feature of the system, that the quantum superimposition of the two will be zero. If one particle has a property value of 1, the other particle will have a property particle of -1. So, it doesn’t matter how far apart the two particles are, you will be able to find the properties of the distant particle at the same time you “read” the properties of the near particle, meaning (sort of) that the information has travelled faster than light; a fact which bothered Einstein a great deal.
In a thought experiment, Einstein, Podolski and Rosen showed that Heisenberg’s uncertainly principal and the violation of the speed of light limit are both consequences of entanglement. With a single particle, Heisenberg showed that it is impossible to measure it location and its energy accurately, you can have one or the other; there is no magic here; the act of measuring one property affects the state of the other property. However with two entangled particles you can use a timey-wimey-wibbly-wobbly way around this limitation, since you can measure the location of one particle, and the energy of the other particle. Since the net effect of properties will always add up to zero, you can not only work out the other property and violate Heisenberg’s uncertainty principal, you can get the answer at superluminal speeds even if one of the entangled particles is on the other side of the universe; thus violating relativity. This is referred to as the Einstein, Podolski and Rosen (EPR) Experiment or sometimes as the EPR Paradox. This really bothered Einstein, however I do urge everyone to research why there is a speed-of-light limit in the first place; it is beyond my scope here however very interesting.
So, entanglement allows us to gather some information faster than light and in defiance of both titans, Einstein and Heisenberg; violating relativity and the uncertainty principal. However one property of this information is that it is fairly useless. To quote Michio Kaku (Physics of the impossible, Page 61 and Location 1324 of the Kindle edition):
“You cannot send a real message, or Morse code, via the EPR experiment even if information is travelling faster than light.
Knowing that an electron on the other side of the universe is spinning down is useless information. You cannot send today’s stock quotations via this method. For example, let’s say that a friend always wears one red and one green sock, in random order. Let’s say you examine one leg, and the leg has a red sock on it. Then you know faster than the speed of light, that the other sock is green, Information actually travelled faster than light, but this information is useless. No signal containing non-random information can be sent via this method.”
I would be remiss however if I also failed to point out the entanglement is proving to be critical in the new science exploration of teleportation. However don’t reach for your Blake 7 video’s yet, teleportation works by using entanglement to transfer properties from one pair of entangled particles to another. This is wonderful, brilliant stuff, but I feel not of interest from an occult perspective.
I hope that I am wrong, however for something like entanglement to serve as the mechanism behind telepathy it is not enough to say that one entangled particle is in each one persons head, and the other particle in the other persons head. We have seen that the sort of information transmitted by entanglement is limited to the state of the particle. Even if we could encode information relative to concepts viable on a human scale (such as don’t travel on that plane, or that the lottery numbers on a given week are 1, 5, 12, 15, 17, 29) into this and transmit that information from entangled particle A to it sister-particle B, we would need a mechanism for that to happen in and a decoder in the recipients brain. Furthermore, we have occasions when a number of psychic people pick up the same information. Entanglement only links pairs of particles so there would need to be a mechanism which propagates the entangled state onto other particles. Such a mechanism is not impossible and in fact recent advances in teleportation suggest that this is at least partially possible, however on the scale where psychic information becomes meaningful to humans it seems to me that this is very unlikely to be the mechanism behind it. I also feel that I must point out that effects such as entanglement require some fairly exotic technology to demonstrate, suggesting further that these effects are not in action when humans experience the paranormal.
Rather than filling us with dismay this should thrill us to the core. It means that we do not need a scientific model to valid our experiences. Let me be clear that I fully accept that paranormal phenomena exists and happens, I am not trying to disprove it but show that the explanation for its existence does not lie within physics and our models of the world. In accepting that this phenomena is real and that it is not a part of the standard models opens a door to a more mysterious and wonderful reality than we can yet imagine.
This also explains the objections of alleged sceptics such as James Randi and Richard Dawkins. If we can imagine people who have not experienced any phenomena and then experienced the wonder of science at its greatest, separate from academic funding, we can understand why they can have such issues with the subject. To me it doesn’t matter, the tiniest experience trumps the greatest scientific model so my world-view has no issues with accepting this sort of phenomena. However my intellectual understanding also accepts that physics is correct with respect to its status as a description of physical reality I feel the need to stand up and ask questions when we are perhaps over enthusiastic of using quantum theory as the explanation to psychic phenomena.
There is further evidence that we will not find the explanation to paranormal phenomena within physics, which is by looking at its track record in studying psi within laboratory conditions. Apart from a few threshold results as suggested by experiments such as those carried out by JB Rhine at Duke University in the 1930s science has returned a practically total blank in generated psychic effects in the lab. Let us compare this with what is experienced in the field, where poltergeists (generating physical effects) get encountered relatively frequently, cryptids defy common sense and so many people experience psychic dreams and accurate out-of-body experiences with regularity. Speaking from experience it is easy to visit a genuinely haunted house, and as soon as one puts down the distracting toys and “tunes in” experiences, even shared experiences are easy to find.
I feel that part of this comes down to scientific methodology. Do you remember my swan example, elsewhere in this essay? A scientist in testing the rigor of a theory cannot believe in White Swans. Rather he or she must be sceptical and look for the black swans which break the theory. Remember that without finding the crucial black swan (which should be easy if they exist) he or she must check that all swans are white, something philosophically impossible. In physics a scientist can (in fact should) be separate from the experiment or that being observed and so can dispassionately record the results and evaluate accordingly. However this is not possible with psychic phenomena, so much depends upon a group-mind being generated which serves to energise (be careful with this word), shape and direct results. However when one approaches this as a sceptic the group mind fails to form properly preventing results from occurring (even if one is working with genuine psychics). This in fact is why parapsychologists who “believe” get results whilst those that don’t believe fail to receive results.
Where therefore do we stand as psychics, occultist and magicians? How are we to work with concepts such as telepathy if there is not a general theory underlying their existence? Can we expect to find hidden forces which point to the explanation of this sort of phenomena? Well, ultimately I do not think that underlying theories matter. In fact basing a magical philosophy on physics will serve only to limit rather than inspire ourselves. In science there is always a list of impossibilities, things such as the superluminal barrier which we cannot transgress; a list which has poisoned the intellects of the like of Carl Sagan and Richard Dawkins, in magic we can transcend this unless we believe otherwise.
Dion Fortune was very clear about not confusing the planes, confusing the worlds where we are investigating and I feel that this advice is crucial to our evolution as occultists. Science is impregnable in its home area and I feel that, just I do not believe that we should use scientific models to explain the paranormal; we also must shy away from arguing that science has it wrong. This may appear to leaving myself backed in a corner as I still stand firm in insisting that paranormal effects are real, however all I am really trying to do is open up research in areas which will be more relevant (and certainly more fruitful) in the investigation of magical and psychic phenomena.
We already have a toolbox to help us explore this phenomena and this toolbox has tools rooted in a myriad of cultures, traditions and interpretations. Whether we chose to use Tibetan methods to explore Bardo states, Hindu Tattwa’s to explore elemental planes within the astral light or simple meditation to go with the flow, I guarantee you will get better results than you would with spectrometers and infra-red sensing technology.
I hope that with this essay I am helping us to disregarding those aspects of investigation which are not really relevant for psychic and magical exploration. In releasing this conceit that physics will explain all, we open ourselves to a world of real magic which underpins physical reality, makes it more interesting and meaningful and most of all frees us from the paradox that psychic phenomena works, however it cannot be explained by physics. We need to accept this and then use our own methods to investigate, explore and study. Let us not confuse the planes!
I do welcome further discussion on this subject however so please do argue and feedback. :)
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18 September 2007
2 hours 5 min
I am still floored by one aspect of the occult seen time and time again on the ghosty shows of late. Spirits are adept at messing around with sophisticated electronics. The can drain batteries of energy, figure out certain voice machines in order to express themselves, blank out cameras, turn off the lights and turn them on again. The spirit haunting my father's ranch house could turn the television set on and off, turn every single light in a large home on and off, and set off the alarm system. Does this mean that spirits are somehow educated in electronics theory? Ar they once on the other side possessed of technological knowledge they could not possibly have known when alive? The spirit that mucks about with the ranch house circuitry has been seen in Civil War soldier garb with a long saber. When alive he not only knew nothing about how to handle a TV remote - he didn't even know what a TV was nor could he have imagined its existence, yet here he is now delving into electrical circuits like a modern day hacker.
When you suggest that formal science may ultimately be of little use in figuring out the paranormal I wonder what the ghosts would say about that.
1 May 2004
9 weeks 3 days
You raise some good points there and of course ghosts and psychic phenomena are known to affect electronic equipment.
I do wonder however whether this is a direct manipulation or whether it is a side effect of something else, almost like when one brings a mobile phone near to a speaker. Just before a call arrives the speaker starts buzzing, I think due to a power surge from the transmitter (or the phone??). We cannot really say that the phone or tranmitter is manipulating the speaker just that its proximity to the phone/transmitter is affecting its functioning.
My approach in a haunted house is generally to try to communicate with the residents. Whether it is ouija board, remote viewing or any other of a range of techniques
I used to use electronic equipment to investigate hauntings; although soon discarded the tech mostly becuase whilst I was busy looking at readings I was too distracted to actually sense anything. I also found that tech was very unreliable; sometimes it gives a reading and other times it doesnt. For me at least the psychic angle was the more interesting (and reliable one). Not that it too isnt unreliable; but when it is working and one becomes very connected with the phenomena things get really interesting
cheers Paolo
Liminal Whispers
18 September 2007
2 hours 5 min
I have been impressed with the EVP's that groups like "Ghost Adventures" harvest and also intrigued with the various voice technologies in use such as the fast scanning radio and the voice box which requires a more technical manipulation of a dictionary of a couple of thousand words in order for the spirit to make itself understood. Some spirits appear to be very accomplished technicians. When one considers the technical feats of poltergeists in manipulating the physical world there is in evidence a sort of high technology - much higher than anything we know of in the human domain yet.
The most successful communications with the spirit world that are being made accessible to the average Joe who has not developed extra sensory abilities are all coming to us because of our clever technology, so even if you want to say that the spirits are doing something that is not really science at least science is allowing many people to see and hear things from the other side. I am confident that the communication devices will get better and better as the science develops.
1 May 2004
9 weeks 3 days
Hi Emlong
You know, what really fascinates me with EVP's is that it is generally quite easy to get a really good EVP. However it seems practically impossible to get a good ghost photo which is more than just a blob or orb etc.
It seems to me that spooks are visually very shy but dont really have any issues with being recorded.
I need to think a bit more about the idea that ghosts are expert technicians. One possible objection I might raise is that perhaps it is similar to the case where a mobile phone is brought close to a loudspeaker. When a call is about to occur, the speaker buzzer. Is it perhaps possible that a ghosts presence is causing all sorts of incidental effects.
Of course, whatever the state of QM research with regards to providing an explaination of the paranormal, ghosts and spirits do impinge upon our world/dimension/whatever and sometimes create physical seeming effects, so therefore something detectable may be possible.
My own take is that at the moment, the technology is still in its infancy, and spending time looking at anomolous results (sometimes the temperature goes up, othertimes it goes down) distracts me too much from working on my own psychic development which is where (for me) things get interesting.
cheers Paolo
Liminal Whispers
18 September 2007
2 hours 5 min
It is the effects that are not "incidental" that I am talking about. When spirits engage in intelligent back and forth in EVP's and fast scanning radio that far exceeds a static type interference. Intelligent response is not just crude interference. The EVP's in the video are by no means the best I have seen on Ghost Adventures, but this is a typical collection. We are limited by what is available on Youtube.
25 November 2004
9 hours 20 min
On the one hand, there is the attempt to explain magic in terms of science. On the other hand, science can be a source of new models or metaphors for the magician's toolbox.
Magical models can go in and out of vogue, but (for example) just because scientists have rejected the concept of the ether as a medium for light transmission, this does not necessarily invalidate it as a useful model for magical work. The magician who takes things too literally is doing it wrong.
I don't believe in belief!
Perceval
@grailseeker
1 May 2004
9 weeks 3 days
Hi
Yes, that is all true. In fact using quantum theory as a metaphor or model I am certain that one could practice magic using it.
However I think that there is a "smoke and mirrors" danger in that using it will lead to the idea that (once again) it is the ultimate system. I think to get to the bottom of things we need a new paradigm which takes into account magics seeming ability to wrap itself around any model. Its catching the ultimate underlying source which interests me.
i think that if we can get to that point, and I really have very little idea as to what form this can possibly take we should be able to "overload" magic functions. For example it is commonly noted that magic is rarely flashy, things happen by coincidence. digging deeper into the mechanism might allow a more direct manipulation of reality
cheers Paolo
Liminal Whispers
18 September 2007
2 hours 5 min
We all know Arthur C. Clarke's famous quote:
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Ultimately this is a question of semantics, and we perhaps get needlessly bogged down in that. What we see poltergeists accomplish may look like magic to us, but I suspect it is just a science to them.
26 June 2005
1 week 3 days
Although I had to skim through your essay in my short lunch break, Paolo, it reads very well and is very interesting. Unless I missed it in my skimming, I'd like to know what you think about the controversy surrounding the role of consciousness in QM? This has to be a quick post for the same reasons of time restraint, but I wonder where we stand these days with regard to the "standard" interpretation? Is it still Copenhagen?
I think the materialist camp - perhaps typified by Stenger - would like to do away with consciousness altogether. Others, like Stapp, would insist on consciousness playing a fundamental role.
Sorry to be so vague in my question - maybe I can get a little more time to elaborate further sometime later.
Dave.
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18 September 2007
2 hours 5 min
Most of us have an atrophied ability to "wish." Manifesting can be nurtured and trained and practiced. Once the ability gets sufficient power to affect the material plane then it becomes obvious to the doer that our reality is one big continuum of will and constant becoming.
The fascinating thing about ghosts is that they can be beckoned by us to manifest physically, and that some of them are better at it than others. It usually requires that they first locate and feed from an intense energy source - usually electromagnetic, so we can perhaps assume that all of consciousness and will are electromagnetic and that without that force there is no consciousness, but also that wherever there is electromagnetism there is consciousness. The problem facing us at the moment is that we have created a very chaotic electromagnetic soup from all the many cell phone towers, radar and radio installations, etc. This appears to be putting a strain on consciousness and disabling the ability to manifest our thoughts primarily perhaps by "distraction." The electropollution mimics consciousness but it is a baffling mimicry without coherent will or imagination behind it. It is like living in an environment in which there is constantly playing a recording of spoken gibberish. You can try to ignore it but eventually it will get to you.
I guess what I am tossing in here is indirect evidence that consciousness and electromagnetism appear to be intimately linked. If you want to further dissect EM in terms of QM then fine. Consciousness then is intimately wrapped up with QM.
1 May 2004
9 weeks 3 days
Thank you for your comments.
@Emlong, I certainly agree with you regarding how easy it is to beckon ghosts and cause them to manifest. I have found that this can be as simple as simply talking about ghosts in the evening and noticings that at the beginning of this process the atmosphere begins to deepen, this only gets deeper and stronger until presences emerge. This really is the key to magical evocation and works as well with ghosts as it does with anything else.
In fact it is this phenomena which lead to my total lack of interest in using technology when investigating ghosts. My day job is in technology, I work for a company providing a web-based music service (not itunes, but similar) and I love tech, I just dont feel it is the tool I want to use in my investigations. For me I feel that if I am too busy recording (sound or visuals) or looking at temperature fluctuations, emf readings etc I am not concentation on the psychic side of things which I find far more interesting. There is nothing like the feeling one gets when one is on a vigil when you mind is running through a sequence of concepts only to hear several other people describe the same thing.
I feel that somehow there is a connection with camera's and photography which is unwelcome with ghosts. I have conducted investigations where we split vigils into sections, part one where cameras are allowed, part two where all equipment is switched off. The latter half of the investigations are always a lot more interesting and active with more things happening.
This could be partially due to there being less random electromagnetism infusing the environment as Emlong suggests. I wonder if there is more to it than that however since convincing EVP's are quite easy to get and deliberate ghost photo's hard, if not impossible. I suspect that this may be due to our cultural idea that images capture a part of the soul. Since antiquity this concept has been caught in our consciousness (many people still dont like having their photo taken). However whereas we could capture images since we learned to scratch a stick in the sand. Sound recording came along a lot later, so there is probably not the cultural taboos associated with recording sound; hence EVPs are easier.
@Dave. I am not so sure where consciousness lies within QM. Certainly the copenhagen interpretation is still seen as part of the standard model, although one could easily dispense with it and retain the same model. People like David Deutsch favour the parallel universe model where each possibility collapses into a new universe; an elaboration of the original Hugh Everitt "many worlds interpretation" of the wave function.
Roger Penrose has also made a number of very interesting suggestions regarding the quantum function within the neural connections in our brains and suggest that this gives rise to consciousness. They may well do for all I know although I havent looked into it. Again, my interest at the moment is to explore the psychic side and work with what I can pick up, interpret, check and play with. The same objections arise with this as do in my essay however that there is no known mechanism in which these quantum interpretations play a part on consciousness; there is just a wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey effect which _may_ be related, however I feel that when we say things such as "consciousness this is intimately wrapped in QM" there is little or no proof to back up such assertions. For me letting go of frameworks and just experiencing the phenomena works wonders. :)
cheers Paolo
Liminal Whispers
18 September 2007
2 hours 5 min
Of course you are technology too and were born with technology developed over millions of years.
26 June 2005
1 week 3 days
People like David Deutsch favour the parallel universe model where each possibility collapses into a new universe; an elaboration of the original Hugh Everitt "many worlds interpretation" of the wave function.
While I have nothing against parallel universes - indeed, I think them quite probable - I do have an issue with using them as a convenient explanation for things that are are otherwise difficult to explain within the current paradigm. Unlimited numbers of universes are also invoked to explain fine tuning although, clearly, that is somewhat different to the Everett/Deutsch model which has duplicate universes created instantaneously.
As for the psychic - I'm not sure we can begin to explain psychic phenomena until we have an understanding of consciousness. Of course, I favour the view that consciousness is fundamental and primary, which is why I asked the question.
Dave.
PS - Paolo, I tried to register with your forum, was sent the activation, clicked activate and used my newly created username & password ... refused entry. Guessed I'd mistyped the pw somehow so requested it again -- no mistake, just won't let me in.
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1 May 2004
9 weeks 3 days
Hi Dave
Sorry about the forum thing, i've discontinued it ages ago and locked it. It got very quiet over the past few years and took so much work it became exhausting - everyone (including me) is on facebook posting photos of kittens nowadays :(
Dave said >>I'm not sure we can begin to explain psychic phenomena until we have an understanding of consciousness. Of course, I favour the view that consciousness is fundamental and primary, which is why I asked the question.
Do we have to explain it in order to experience it or even use it? It will not give us the lottery numbers (believe me I've tried) but it will give us a reasonably useful insight when exploring the world and a tool to experience "psychic" entities such as ghosts.
One of the protocols Remote Viewers used to follow is the rule that anything experienced by just one viewer is not worth that much. Of course on a personal level that is a matter of choice, but when you have several people, say in a haunted location experiencing/recieving the same ideas things become interesting.
cheers Paolo
Liminal Whispers
26 June 2005
1 week 3 days
Hi Dave
Sorry about the forum thing, i've discontinued it ages ago and locked it. It got very quiet over the past few years and took so much work it became exhausting - everyone (including me) is on facebook posting photos of kittens nowadays :(
Ah yes, kittens - the last thing I posted on Facebook (last week) was cuddly kittens.
Do we have to explain it in order to experience it or even use it?
Not at all. I agree with you that experience is paramount - much more important than philosophising. Nevertheless, I was interested in your worldview - in particular what you were saying about QM and whether consciousness was necessary. When sceptics use dogmatic materialism to dismiss any kind of psychic experience - and when they use that same dogma to claim QM for their cause - I like to see alternative points of view.
By the way - I attended a couple of those Questing conferences you mention on your web site. Some really interesting speakers. Are they still happening?
Dave.
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1 May 2004
9 weeks 3 days
Hi Dave.
Yes, Andy does still do psychic questing conferences, although they are more 2 days sessions in Avebury with meditation and psychic questing. I really thing that Andrew Collins is doing the most important thing in the paranormal right now.
Keep an eye on his site and maybe see you next year. There are a few Daily Grailers who go.
http://www.andrewcollins.com
Cheers Paolo
Liminal Whispers
16 August 2006
3 weeks 5 days
1. Try the "Preliminary Probable Self" Exercise -- it's #2. here. Doing the exercise has been known to engender significant alterations in consciousness that extend into the dream environment and may last for several days. This is not QM, of course, but it can be loosely associated with "Many Worlds" and the multiverse.
2. I'm very interested in communication and feel we can probably do better than EVP. Consider how there are more dead hardware, software, and networking engineers now than at any previous moment in history (without mentioning dead physicists, radio & TV engineers, etc., etc.) with more dying every day.
I'm aware of a number of previous attempts, usually by engineers, but even when they experienced some success, no one else could replicate them. Usually, too, those results would not have been obtained if someone working with them hadn't had some mediumistic abilities.
So it seems that a way to proceed would be using some form of mediumship or trance communication. Like natives who fire an arrow connected to a long string across a chasm, then attach a rope to the string, eventually leading to the construction of a bridge in the most unlikely location, you would need to communicate with someone on "the other side" with both interest and technical knowledge.
One problem seems to be that most who possess gifts in the mediumship department tend not to be technically adept -- theirs is an intuitive talent.
There are some exceptions, at least in those circles I've sometimes become involved with, strictly amateur in nature, but I've yet to come across anyone who is technically minded, gifted in such communication (which involves a kind of translation, as I understand things), and fired with a zeal to accomplish something in this area.
I believe that persistence pays, in this area as in others, but should my own efforts be unsuccessful, this is an interest that need not be lessened by death...
3. I'm convinced minds can penetrate time (another way of saying this is that our usual idea of time is false).
One friend, who learned to write (type) in trance quite capably, found himself in contact with a future self living in a time and probable reality (I also believe there are multiple futures, something that becomes apparent to anyone who succeeds with #1. above) where quite a bit of progress had been made in understanding the nature of consciousness and physical reality, including the role the brain plays as a kind of "organic transducer." Unfortunately, the mathematics behind this were based on developments that are in our future.
Still, this suggests a number of intriguing possibilities. (Note, however, how a successful gleaning of future understanding -- say from a future physicist -- would alter the course of events, leading to a new probable future different from that in which that physicist existed...)
Bill I.
1 May 2004
9 weeks 3 days
Hi Bill
I agree with pretty much everything you say here (except linking it to Many worlds, multiverse for reasons described above :) )
I think its very much a process of learning when to use (and when its approporate to use) left brain and right brain thinking.
To be psychic its very much a matter of letting go of the logical and critical thinking process (at least until after) and just riding the imagery. The problem is we as humans tend to like left-brain thinking.
cheers Paolo
Liminal Whispers
18 September 2007
2 hours 5 min
The better EVP's being harvested by shows such as Ghost Adventures these days do not require "translation." The class A EVP's are obvious give and take responses spoken plainly and intelligently. I am still amazed by how ignorant so many people are about this source of information. It lacks the veneer of academia, so too many people don't even bother to watch. It is inexcusable.
14 April 2009
4 weeks 1 day
Pop culture is important :3
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14 April 2009
4 weeks 1 day
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