The Gods Were Us...Wake Up!
Posted by Enigmni Freak at 10:18, 25 Mar 2009For much of my life, I have studied the engineering of the ancients. They had episodes of having access to the highest mathematical computations as evidenced by their artifacts. Peru comes to mind. Egypt and Sumer are not far behind. The abject thinking that is inherent within mythological traditions of all the ancients such as the Vedics and the Jomon shows glimpses of a background of isolated brilliance that popped up here and there almost as if there were a company of Texas Aggies flying around the Earth trying to help out where they could — taking their knowledge and wisdom and "their goodies with them." But the knowledge of their genetics seems on par with that of today or even higher than ours. They were highly creative and they knew whereof they existed. They knew the fiery intelligence that inhabited their bodies was much more than just evolving happenstance. The savages they came in contact with, which must have been some 99.99% of those on Earth, just did enough to get from one meal to the next out of habit and necessity because they had forgotten what civilization had brought to the table after the Run of some great catastrophe or a series of catastrophes that had displaced an earlier Golden Age. The Earth just did not look the same and it did not provide the same. They were out of sync with nature. Those "Aggies" or the Corps of Engineers Did know and had access to tools that just put them out front on any task — they were us. They were us as we could be if we applied ourselves to learning and studying and working to become the Super Christ. The Christos Avenue to BECOMING was known to the ancient architects and they knew of the Tree of Being. They knew how we are manifest here in Time/Space and tried to tell us what we once knew but due to convention we were too busy trying to survive rather than put out the effort to attain our former verve. Christ is indeed who and what we should strive for to become. Hero worship of those who strive to be all they can be became something else...Religion. Religion is Complex Ignorance (See Manley P. Hall's Conclusion Chapter in Secret Teachings of All Ages.) Religion is for those who watch what should be done rather than actually live within the very sphere into which we are born. It is what it is. The Que to our existence is onboard and within our reach if we only would just follow our own mentality. We are self-aware but not cognizant of our own glory. We are indeed multifaceted beings and capable of high attainment intellectually, but apparently we are lazy. We suffer from amnesia or we just do not try hard enough to regain the intellectual and spiritual level that we are truly and clearly able to do. We sit and look at God all day, rather than take up the mantel of being part of the whole. It sits in the background of our minds and we just let it go so we can go to the mall and buy more junk. In my house there are thousands of books, they tell the story of humanity in every blank space between the lines of just how great we could be. We watch the life, but we do not live the life which is way beyond anything we see today
Not that one is, but THAT whereby Is, is. That is the Crux of Becoming. We can become the very God we worship but we do not live it.
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21 February 2009
19 weeks 2 days
What?
Not that one is, but THAT whereby Is, is.
knowledge of their genetics seems on par with that of today or even higher than ours
The Earth just did not look the same and it did not provide the same
due to convention we were too busy trying to survive
they tell the story of humanity in every blank space between the lines
There is some stuff in here that almost seems to parallel quantum superposition, but with the individual.
Are you having a bit of a moment? :)
I like the positivism! The world has many problems right now though that need very serious and complex answers. This does not seem to be a philosophy to attain that positivistic future you imagine, i see too many problems with it.
I think if it was rolled out wide-scale we would ultimately doom billions. Though perhaps through meditation and self control over our emotional states we might become happy with being doomed.
Either that, or i just don't get ya!
20 March 2006
2 weeks 20 hours
For one to see the light and become like Christ is to enter the state of being in Christ. Apparently you do not know or get it.
21 February 2009
19 weeks 2 days
I agree with you. I don't get it. I get some of your underlying themes, but to share a persons perspective often requires more. I think that's ok though. We can't all understand everything.
20 March 2006
2 weeks 20 hours
Prior to 12,500 years ago, our ancestors had technology superior to our present state of being. Their knowledge was so high, that they had finally ascertained the very fabric of our being and becoming. SEE THIS:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5111...
I hold that we also came to realize that we are not unlike holographic images that are broadcast from What Many Refer to as GOD. This state of being is indeed ALWAYS AND FOREVER. We are parts of this whole and must reclaim our former knowledge and wisdom. Open Your Eyes...
Not that one is, but THAT whereby Is, is. The Crux of this is our Becoming.
21 February 2009
19 weeks 2 days
Thanks,
I'll have a look.
I've looked.
They are stories of modern successes.
This idea that people 12500 years ago (the first evidence of writing is about 11000 if memory serves)have left proof of access to modern understanding is going to need a little more than that to convince me.
(The best evidence i am aware of are references to the roots of mountains in the Koran etc, but to be honest some anatomy and geology doesn't surprise me much so long as the ancients weren't walking around with their eyes shut - they had access to what we can see too).
This idea is pretty cool and would overturn absolutely everything that we think we know today.
No civilisation ever really disappeared. Empires crumbled, just like the British one did, but life goes on. In the past war could destroy civilisations more easily than today perhaps (not withstanding nuclear), but the remains are always there. No one ever gathered the remains of a civilisation into one big pile then buried it.
Knowledge can be lost very quickly unfortunately. Ours would be gone after about 500 years if we just vanished. But that is just the books or in our case CD's and hard disks.
Can either of you present anything solid that a civilisation has ever paralleled ours in terms of what we might call standardised variables like agriculture, energy generation and distribution, communications, travel mediums, technological invention.
I am trying to think of things that would still be present 12500 years later. There is plenty of archeology from that period, but i am not aware of anything suspiciously out of the timeline.
I'm not looking for the Large Hadron Collider or anything that amazing. If we are just talking about philosophy then i understand, but there have been references to specific scientific fields and i have seen no evidence to suggest that either of you are in the ballpark of reality.
This could be a good debate though, so sorry if i seem impertinent.
20 March 2006
2 weeks 20 hours
The very fact that you exist is testament to just how advanced we once were on this planet. The ancients are now very obscure to most of us and the fact that their means of existence was highly different from the mess we live in now is perfectly understandable. We do no communicate as they did and our thought has come down to the base level once again. We are no longer super beings and will most likely not re-awaken in our lifetimes. We think in linear aspects and hardly delve into the symbols aspects that represented gestalt thinking.
Frankly, evidence is everywhere present of our past here in Time/space but few will ever broach the deepness required to think in terms of the Sefirot means of thinking. The Tree of Existence is indeed the means of projection of this reality not unlike a highly advanced holographic universe. Yet, this realm is much more complex and thinking in this realm is truly one notch beyond chaos. Thinking on the Fly is something few of us can accomplish with our present mindset.
Pop Culture totally takes most of us away from any approach to deep thinking. It is the noise of this realm that keeps us from finally moving into the Christos State of Becoming. Humanity can do this and meditation is the first step. I wish you good luck in trying to even ascertain the mindset required to evolving into this super thought process. It is not being intelligent but opening your mind to a broader amplification of this reality that actually is speaking to you in symbols. R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz in his TEMPLE OF MAN actually sets up how we can learn to think this way again. The Pharaohs actually thought this way as did much of the Egyptian Elite. If we relearned to think this way rather than the flippant child-like jargon that most of us stop at, then we could potentially grow back into the grand mentality that we once possessed in the past.
21 February 2009
19 weeks 2 days
I think the only thing i can agree with at the moment is that pop culture takes people away from deep thought. Of course this isn't a particularly bad thing so long as people are thinking when they don't have the radio on. There is a lot of deep thought occurring in the worlds universities and to deny it would be the height of rudeness to the people working hard to solve such things as cancer or energy production. I expect many of them come home and turn the radio on. Some might even like pop music.
The book 'Temple of Man' sounds fascinating. The reviews on amazon don't correspond with your own though. They seem to have approached it from a more secular perspective.
As for the rest we've got a bit of Jewish tradition mixed with some platonic philosophy with a little bit of modern lingo thrown in (like hologram; i'll grant that space and time are not modern constructs, but i suspect you might be using the modern versions of them).
Again i will ask, as politely as possible, whether you can point me towards any evidence?
If we are just dealing with different standards of evidence here then so be it. I am on a quest for understanding though and cannot simply pick up every pebble on the beach. I must still be a little objective in which ones i turn over.
The very fact that you exist is testament to just how advanced we once were on this planet
Perhaps you could explain this as it seems like a circular reference to me.
Basically i find colossal claims in your text, but with no attempt to back them up. As if you have walked into a debate with a box labeled 'correct answer' that we are not allowed to look inside. Is there any more to this box than the labels on the outside?
12 April 2007
9 hours 4 min
I agree that, for me as well, some tangible evidence is necessary in order to entertain an idea.
Maybe Engimni is right that there are some avenues to knowledge more 'direct' than others, an open channel as it were; a very gnostic concept.
But, the problem I have with gnosticism is that it is very elitist. It posits that there are people who can get an access to enlightenment, and others that cannot. Sometimes I agree with this, but I suspect that my ego is involved.
So, I humbly hope that, if there's a God out there who wants us to find the deeper truths of the universe, that He/She/It has left different paths to follow; not just one.
After all, Christ had 12 different followers, all with a different view and way of thinking. I don't think He intended them to think exactly the same way or to follow exactly the same path— Didn't He permit Thomas to place the hand upon His wounds? ;-)
Anyway, re. evidence of a very evolved past, there are several interesting 'remnants' to consider. There's Tihuanacu for example. Gobekli Tepe is also very interesting. True, no antediluvial Hadron collider in any of those, but as you yourself guessed, none of that stuff would survive after a few thousand years—although we do have that ancient battery at the Baghdad museum, I wondered if it's still there...
All of those—and many others I can't think of at the moment—are a hint that there's more to the past of mankind that we have been told. Hopefully we will unearth more of our history in the future, and with that, it will help us understand more clearly who we really are.
PS: And yes, the idea that ancient man had a different mental process is I think worthy of consideration. Perhaps their sense of 'self' differed from ours, in the same way that, for some 'primitive' cultures, the difference between the dream world and the 'real' world is arbitrary and quite irrelevant.
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It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
20 March 2006
2 weeks 20 hours
I once was associated with several universities as a teacher and an administrator, but that has nothing to do with what I post. Most of that information comes from my faith (Christos Kaballah) or what some call religion. I frankly do not buy into most scientific evidence for almost all things since on one day it is a fact that we are presented with and on the next day coffee is good for you. Who is right??? I give up. I go with what I study and attempt to realize via meditation and prayer. It seems to work for me, but I agree, most likely I am an illusion as are you and we have nothing to really prove anything. I can tell, I am being worked by a linear thinker here so have your own day. I will have mine with those of us who have eyes to see and minds to stand in wonder thereof.
Not that one is, but THAT whereby Is, is. That is the Crux of Becoming.
20 March 2006
2 weeks 20 hours
I guess I read too much. What pill said makes nothing to me and I have read and meditated over this stuff for ages...It all sounds like informal fallacy to defray rather than focus on meditation and deeper meaning. My Rosicrucian deepness has no meaning to one who tip-toes through the realms of Pop Culture.
I will just go away...to meditate on things few see or ascertain.
Cheers.
Orion
12 April 2007
9 hours 4 min
Simply that there might be different paths, and one must choose the once more according to one's inclination, talents & capabilities. Wouldn't it be cruel if God had only lay out just one path to salvation/enlightenment?
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It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
20 March 2006
2 weeks 20 hours
Pill, I was not thinking simply...sorry
1 May 2004
6 days 18 hours
nice to see your still wearing that "Mr Superior" hat.
I find talking, chatting to people rather then at them a better mode of communication.
"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.
20 March 2006
2 weeks 20 hours
I am superior to no one...Just an old man who is not afraid to speak — not unlike most here who leverage with every bit of strength to maintain existence. The feedback loop is ever in motion.
1 May 2004
6 days 18 hours
it all began with a single thought. That thought manifested into reality. From that point on everything that was, is and will be are nothing more then an echo of the original thought. To evolve is the ability to filter out the meaningless and add meaning to the original thought.
"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.