Gobekli Tepe will change the world of Archaeology...12,000 old

Archaeology's November/December issue has something very interesting. The strange T shapes have 90 degree cuts that would be almost impossible to comprehend by the mind of a savage or one practicing a fertility cult. It is suggested that these T shaped elementals are about or more than 12,000 years old. What is up with this???

http://www.archaeology.org/0511/reviews/...

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Greg's picture
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I've been waiting for people to make a bigger deal of Gobekli Tepe all year. Not even because of these T shapes you describe - simply because of the date. People are staggered that Stonehenge and pyramids reach back to 2500 BC or so - that monumental building was done at this time. Gobekli Tepe shatters that - it goes back to the 10th millennium BC! Remember all the fuss about Nabta Playa - Gobekli Tepe is at least 4000 years before this point.

The other question is - if monumental architecture was happening back then, where's all the building in the next 6000 years?

Perhaps I should do a front page feature on Gobekli Tepe some time...it deserves far more publicity.

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Greg
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I wonder if an archaeo-acoustics expert has tried giving those T-shaped pillars a tap?!

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Something happened back then and it was cathartic on some scale to humanity. It is as though the Earth were somewhat featureless with fewer people and a culture that was advanced in some ways and not in others. It reminds me of Lubicz's contention that people thought differently and perhaps his symbolique and his belief that they thought deeply and advanced on things that we do not even know about. It was a different place and I guess you had to be there.

Orion, Oscar, Ron O., T.C. Overstreet, and many more.

I wish you would go there Greg, take lots of pictures and think deeply.

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Anthony North liked to discuss the possibility that back in those days humans had more of a communal mind, that individualism was not so distinctive. It was an elegant hypothesis, I wish there was some way to test it.

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Indeed this is very hard to determine after all this time.

Another, but related, question is this: to what extent are these traces of the common society, as opposed to expressions of an elite?

Consider how hard this is even today. If you live in Australia, how much do you really know about society in Mexico? With some luck you have seen their futbol team on TV, and you have seen nice pictures of the pyramids there.

But you probably can't even get the kind of tequila Mexicans drink in Oz, nevermind knowing how the Mexicans behave when they drink it.

Could the old pre-algricultural societies have been less stratified than ours, in the spiritual sense? I know this isn't exactly what Anthony North would be considering, but it is related I think.

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Obviously this is all speculation, but it's probable too there wasn't the hierarchy we see today in modern Religions. Social status probably came from age alone: if you were old enough you proved you survived, hence you're worthy of respect. And so the most venerated people were the ancestors.

But maybe the use of hallucinogenics helped to have a more coalesced and united spiritual community? We see modern examples in the Santo Daime religion that uses Ayahuasca in their ceremonies. The 'leader' serves more like a guide than a chief; you can't feel superior to the next guy if you're barfing and s****ing all over the floor ;-)

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Exactly! well put..I wish I could have been there at the beginning:
and in the mind in the Caves too:
we need a real Time Machine

/.JJ.

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In another world, we would not have been as we are today. Materialism is anti-human. to live at one with Nature is easy for those who love knowledge and wisdom. We need nothing for it is already provided. If we help one-another as we should rather than reinforce narcissism we would have a very interesting universe.

By the by, the Time Machine is within us. Listen to the logic and the heart speaks.