Why Ghosts Are Good For You

Not sure how this TEDx talk is still alive, given recent events, but I'm glad it is. Award-winning writer Patricia Pearson describes a strange event that happened to her sister at the time their father died, and how it inspired her to research further into the mysteries of consciousness and the possibility of an afterlife:

When we found out...what had happened to my sister on this particular night, it instantly transformed the narrative of what was a really brutal shock of losing my father, all of a sudden it took on a kind of mythic resonance in fact, and it became the story of how my father somehow went to my sister and reassured her, and then went ahead of her, and was there for her when she died, as she did, two months later.

Now I'm a journalist and so I was immediately extremely preoccupied with the question of what the hell just happened?

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being in computers for so long as
a programmer - analyst designner,
i dont dismiss data whether it be good or bad
until a full analyst takes place.

i frown on some that jump to conclusions without looking at most or all the evidence and data,
and then believe in a the absolute truth.

couple of key words she used may be related here,
those keywords being "story" and "hell".

her version of the story sounds nice,
but what if the truth is really different.

i mention it because i tend to look at all the possiblities and
i wonder if she may of dismiss the truth or
may not of even looked at it,

what if it was not her father spirit but a evil spirit who went to her sister, and the evil spirt who enter her sister played a role in causing her sister death 2 months later in some way.

Laura Maxwell mentions how the spirits are really bad,
and how mediums are mislead and talks about spiritualism,
the occult, new age etc are bad.

here are 2 videos of laura maxwell which she tells these spirits are not to be trusted and are misleading mediums, etc.

video 1 is from - simply the truth - video laura maxell talks with doug harris about the occult and spirts , mediums, spirtualism, new age etc.

2. The hidden truth behind psychics, mediums, spiritualism, spirit guides, and ghosts .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJcUg5h8z-E
and

See video

ciao clemente

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well, since no one person invents or comes up with something new (and since she's a canadian -- we aren't all anal aboot the occult n ufos n stuff -- we're anal aboot things like IP rights and cancon) and since no one person can know everything, that is what one role of everyone being around is -- globally, we are more intelligent, wise, experimental, etc etc etc

or something like that :3

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a typical canadian moment there -- what others may call boring ;3

neet and gentle and unassuming

what people find meaningful is important -- lack of meaning 'is the enemy' that needs to be overcome...

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Inannawhimsey wrote:

a typical canadian moment there -- what others may call boring ;3

neet and gentle and unassuming

what people find meaningful is important -- lack of meaning 'is the enemy' that needs to be overcome...

while she is a canadian, i too was born in the great white north, but born a italian citizen as well, because parents still italian, so if you think all canadians have boring moments your wrongly mistaken.

to give meaning to something that is not true is a lie and to do so your just fooling yourself and perhaps may lead to dangerous things or a bad outcome.

ciao clemente

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ciamarra wrote:
Inannawhimsey wrote:

a typical canadian moment there -- what others may call boring ;3

neet and gentle and unassuming

what people find meaningful is important -- lack of meaning 'is the enemy' that needs to be overcome...

while she is a canadian, i too was born in the great white north, but born a italian citizen as well, because parents still italian, so if you think all canadians have boring moments your wrongly mistaken.

to give meaning to something that is not true is a lie and to do so your just fooling yourself and perhaps may lead to dangerous things or a bad outcome.

ciao clemente

i too was born in the land of the floppyheads :3

may you, like all the rest of us canadians, continue to fall on your ass, to flail around and fail gloriously, get back up, laugh at yourself, and continue living and loving life, no matter how angsty or wrinkled-furrow'd brow some other culture gets towards you

they say that the secret to a long life is to learn how to live with embarrassment -- may you live forever

See video

jesus saves, takes 1/2 damage

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Inannawhimsey wrote:

they say that the secret to a long life is to learn how to live with embarrassment -- may you live forever

no i wont live forever, but am a believer in christ and the rejected stone of the builders.

i believe in the wisdom of christ thus i dont have to live with embarrassment knowing the truth.

ciao clemente

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Synchronicity = meaningful coincidence. Life itself is infused with meaning in a reality where a soul consciosness continues beyond death, or IMO life is quite meaningless and futile in a reality where consciounsness arises solely from matter and blinks out upon death.

I choose meaningful existence and coincidence :)

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I really don't see how one can "choose." None of us has enough experience to come to a confident conclusion one way or the other, and there really isn't a necessity to "choose" anyway is there? I suppose I am choosing ambiguity though I have had some intense experiences that clearly indicate that intelligence continues on post death. However, I am not about to impose that idea on anyone else else, and that includes myself. One thing I have suggested to people who have strong so called "skeptical" ideas is that they go on a good haunted house tour sometime, i.e. attempt have some experience before concluding about experiences they have never even had in the first place.

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I guess I should have clarified, I choose to "believe" in meaningful coincidences and continuation beyond death. As in I'm siding with the speaker/surviving sister here in her belief her sister had some form of paranormal experience in relation to their father's passing. Clearly we cannot choose whether consciousness continues beyond death or not...or can we?

I like to contemplate the possibility that since the alleged realms beyond physical life - the implicate order, or imaginal, or "heaven" seem to be a place where reality is shaped by one's imagination, by one's thoughts. So if a militant atheist, skeptic, materialist dies who is steadfast in the termination of consciousness at death, then presumably it should be possible if they happen to be wrong, but their belief follows them into the afterlife they may verywell delete themselves. Would be a certain poetic justice in that I think...

Greg H.

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The biggest change in my thinking recently centers on the idea that what exists "after" death is not a separate thing but a concurrent thing, and that these dimensions coexist with this so called waking one and informs it, molds it, and is an integral part of it. The two are never separate nor have they ever been. The value in discovering this is that you realize how much that dimension is always impinging on this one. This is an information revolution really. We are learning about an area of life that has heretofore been invisible to us and one that also colors and informs this more obvious reality. We are beginning to perceive the daily effects of the so called "afterlife" and learning to watch for the telltale signs of interaction. It is not much different from our having discovered previously invisible bacteria and seeing the effects of that invisible on this physical reality.

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i think one has to look at it and look at what some others have been saying, even certain religions, just to gather data..

frankly i find her stance to be omitting the possibly of a evil spirit somewhat disappointing especially when she is conveying her opinion to others.

laura maxwell mentions how her mother had spirits who she thought were good, and later attack her mother .

laura felt they had dead spirit relatives in her home, but now believes they were not her relatives but evil spirits and talks about lucifer in the videos i mention earlier.

if someone thinks they have a spirit in home, or near them, to rule out the possibly they may be a bad spirit would be a foolish stance to take is all im saying. ( i realize those who dont believe in spirits would think its foolish, but that doesnt change the belief in the person who believes they have one in their home).

i gave 2 videos of laura before, here another mentioning she was naive before and dealing with spirits was not safe.

See video

ciao clemente

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The virulence of the spirit appears to be intimately dependent on who is looking. There can be huge difference in ghost busting a home depending on who is doing it. The same spirit can come through as merely mischievous when conduited by one person or quite evil and nasty when handled by a different person.

There are some obvious demonically haunted places. Bobby Mackey's Bar in Wilder, Kentucky is one of the most dangerous haunted places in the world. This is the place that so freaked out the normally unflappable Ghost Adventures crew that they never wanted to be anywhere near it again. The demon inhabiting this place attached itself to various crew and followed them home and then screwed up their lives. It is nothing to fool around with casually.

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emlong wrote:

Bobby Mackey's Bar in Wilder, Kentucky is one of the most dangerous haunted places in the world.

i would not dismiss the possibly certain places do have a bad presence, bad spirit or bad vibe associate with them.
just the stance i prefer to take.

i certainly would want to get out of dodge quick if i feel a bad presence.

special note at around 21 minute mark in video, she felt before the belief there was no punishment after death, even for mass murders, perhaps some insight for those who do those things

ciao clemente

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not everyone has the time or the inclinations to consider every possibility -- that way could potentially lead to obsession & madness ;3 as well as be very time intensive. Like the Dalai Lama's methods require him to spend years of his life cloistered away and not everyone has the inclination/ability to do that

i think that is one of the reasons/benefits for having all this difference...if there was really only one Truth, then there, I think, would not be as much variety in life...one person/life form only has so much time/energy/intelligence/wisdom...but together, we are greater...another person may find something out that another person couldn't at all and so forth...

my mother died last October of fuckingdamn cancer. since then i've had some pretty interesting experiences that i don't know how to categorize. for me, i remember who she was and her light. her sense of humour. her kindness. her openness. whenever i feel her, i don't care if she is 'really' there or not -- for me it is like that Rumi poem -- 'the eye goes blind that only seeks to know why'. and that is my path, that i've discovered i've been on. experiencing things and sharing in the common human experience. helps keep me humble and avoids obsession & dogma

i find that whatever statements people make aboot their experiences says much more aboot themselves than aboot any shared aspect of reality

life is too short, i think, to take a look at someone else's belief and go 'but'...that is saying much more aboot a mental state than aboot that other person...

hopefully, your questions will encourage you to enter into deeper agape with the woman in the video...you could always try to contact her...without needing to convert her or turn her to your pov...

the woman you gave the link to, i have seen her type of behaviour before...a new convert will try to debunk their previous beliefs to strengthen their current belief; i have seen that everywhere, from atheists to pagans...

life is too short

or something like that :3

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Inannawhimsey wrote:

not everyone has the time or the inclinations to consider every possibility -- that way could potentially lead to obsession & madness

cleary she seemed emotional over the whole thing.

but simple quick research would of shown that it may of been a bad spirit.

Being a professional i frown when i see this solution being offered when there could be another possibly that could be found easily which can be mentioned as well.

to suggest this sole solution i find somewhat dangerous for others, especially if perhaps it May put others in harms way.

thats why i mention it a different possibly.

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ciamarra wrote:
Inannawhimsey wrote:

not everyone has the time or the inclinations to consider every possibility -- that way could potentially lead to obsession & madness

cleary she seemed emotional over the whole thing.

but simple quick research would of shown that it may of been a bad spirit.

Being a professional i frown when i see this solution being offered when there could be another possibly that could be found easily which can be mentioned as well.

to suggest this sole solution i find somewhat dangerous for others, especially if perhaps it May put others in harms way.

thats why i mention it a different possibly.

i don't understand your statement: "clearly she seemed emotional over the whole thing"? what do you mean?

and when you write that you are a professional, what do you mean by that?

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Inannawhimsey wrote:

i don't understand your statement: "clearly she seemed emotional over the whole thing"? what do you mean?

and when you write that you are a professional, what do you mean by that?

answer to 1, it seemed clear in patrica pearson video
she maded a very emotional statment,
at the 1 minute 45 second mark in video patrica saids -
"what the hell just happened" .

answer to 2, as i mentioned before, i develop solutions, im a trained professional, thus fast in easily to see flaws, omissions.

ciao clemente

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ciamarra wrote:
Inannawhimsey wrote:

i don't understand your statement: "clearly she seemed emotional over the whole thing"? what do you mean?

and when you write that you are a professional, what do you mean by that?

answer to 1, it seemed clear in patrica pearson video
she maded a very emotional statment,
at the 1 minute 45 second mark in video patrica saids -
"what the hell just happened" .

answer to 2, as i mentioned before, i develop solutions, im a trained professional, thus fast in easily to see flaws, omissions.

ciao clemente

thank you for the clarification :3

maybe you can offer your services to occultists as a see'er of flaws, omissions

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Inannawhimsey wrote:

a see'er of flaws, omissions

:)

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healthy snacks?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-uG78sRDs0
:/

...I forgot how I got here but everyone seems to be heading off in that direction. I hope someone brought food. I have a feeling this is going to be a long journey................