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On Not Being a Dick

Regular readers will know that I criticize organized skepticism here fairly often, and with good reason. But that is not to say that I am anti-skepticism (or anti-science, as some would have it). Critical thinking skills are absolutely required if you’re going to navigate Fortean pathways, as they dip off into some pretty dark and overgrown parts of the forest on occasion.

Similarly, I have on occasion criticized some things that The Bad Astronomer, Phil Plait, has said. And again, with good reason (along with some more casual ribbing). However, on the whole I think Phil is a great communicator with an infectious passion for science and the cosmos, even if he does think I’m a goofy, antiscience guy.

In July, Phil spoke at The Amazing Meeting (TAM8) in Las Vegas, the biggest skeptical group gathering of the year, and instead of rallying the troops for battle, he took a different approach: he implored them ‘not to be dicks’:

There’s been some alarming developments in the way skepticism is being done… [I]n some specific places, the tone of what we’re doing is decaying. Instead of relying on the merits of the arguments…it seems that vitriol and venom are on the rise – I’m not happy about that.

…How many of you no longer believe in those things and you became a skeptic because somebody got in your face, screaming, and calling you brain-damaged and a retard?

Now it’s clear that I welcome this development, and so I gladly and genuinely want to say ‘well done!’ to the Bad Astronomer. But I also wanted to respond to a few of the other points he made as well – which I’ll do right after you watch this video of his whole talk:

Now, my first reaction to this talk was “finally, they’re getting it!” After seeing the talk being hailed on skeptical blogs as a watershed moment, my second reaction was more cynical; basically being along the lines of “if the breakthrough moment in your community is the revelation that you should not act like dicks, then your community does not have a great history to it.”

And I think that latter reaction is a fair one – it’s why I criticize organized skepticism so regularly, because it has some serious problems that need to be dealt with. One of those is that – despite the BA’s framing of his talk in terms of a recent decay in civility – the pioneering ‘skeptics’ of the movement such as Gardner, Randi, Klass etc *were* dicks. Huge, honking dicks. To me, there has been no ‘recent decaying’ – it’s just been a continuum of dickish behaviour.

A second, major problem is the fact that organized skepticism has become a belief system in itself (I noted with a grin that Phil himself mentions that “studies have shown that people who lose their faith tend to replace it with something else, with a different type of belief”). It was therefore refreshing-as-all-hell to see Phil note that himself in his talk:

Right now in this movement of ours…there’s entrenched belief masking itself, i think, as rational thought. People strongly believe in skepticism so much they’re not willing to question it themselves, not willing to question their own stance. And i could give you specific examples of myself as well…hubris is running rampant, and egos are just out of check, and sometimes logic in those situations is left by the wayside.

Phil notes one of the difficult aspects of being a skeptic is that it is “in many ways, a self-annihilating message – how do you convince someone they’re not thinking clearly, when *they’re not thinking clearly*!” Ironically, this applies in reverse on occasions when I’ve talked to skeptics – how you convince someone they’re not thinking clearly, when they define themselves as being a clear-thinker.

Here’s an example, pulled from Phil’s talk:

The message we’re trying to convey is hard all by its lonesome, and it’s even worse when we’re trying peddle this idea, when you think about what we’re actually saying, of no magic, no afterlife, no higher moral authoritative father figure, no security, no happy ever after…this is a tough sell.

Yes, skepticism is a tough sell – it’s basically about doubting yourself, your beliefs and assumptions 24/7. However, skepticism should *not* be about conveying the message that there is “no afterlife, no higher moral authoritative father figure” etc. There may be doubt about these things – but in the end, they are unfalsifiable, and so no true skeptic should be arguing that they don’t exist as part of their central message. One of the core failings of the modern skeptical movement – and it goes back to its origins in the likes of Martin Gardner and CSICOP – is the belief that skeptics’ raison d’être is to fight off ‘irrational’, supernatural beliefs. It has become so entrenched in the skeptical system that I’d imagine only theistic skeptics would have noticed this statement during the talk.

This mistaken acceptance of atheism and materialist belief as ‘skepticism’ leads me to another point: the big elephant standing in the corner wondering why Phil didn’t mention his name. Despite passionately calling for an end to dickish behaviour, the Bad Astronomer avoided calling anyone in particular out, even though I’m sure we all know who the biggest ‘skeptical’ front appendage out there is. And though he embraced Phil’s non-naming to exonerate himself, P.Z. Myers is wrong. He is a dick. Pharyngula, via both its blogger and a sizeable portion of the commenters, have lowered the tone of skeptical debate to new lows, and – given that Pharyngula is (allegedly) the premiere science blog on the planet – dragged the good name of science down with them.

But P.Z. isn’t the only one (as I said, most of the pioneering skeptics have/had the dickish attitude). The point to make from Phil’s ‘non-naming’ is that there is a severe lack of self-criticism within skeptical organizations – not only on attitude, but in fact-checking (seriously, if skeptics fact-checked some of Randi’s pronouncements they would be shocked). Very few skeptics are willing to take to Pharyngula with the same enthusiasm that they bring to fighting woo – and yet the former action may, in the end, be more important to the future of the skeptical movement. I think Phil’s talk goes a long way towards taking a first step in that direction.

Phil also mentions at one point that “the odds are against us..there are more of them than there are of us.” It’s an insular thing to say, and I think comes from a false dichotomy of ‘skeptics’ vs ‘irrational public’. It may be a necessary idea for skeptics to hold – in terms of consolidating a community – but in my opinion it is wrong. I would quite genuinely say that I am more skeptical than, at the very least, 50% of self-described skeptics. So are some of the top researchers in ufology, near-death experiences, and other areas – and they regularly get labeled as ‘woo-woos’ by ‘skeptics’ that are not deserving of the title. Skeptics would do well to realise that the title does not get bestowed simply because you don’t believe in God/magic/religion – it comes from doubting things and using critical thinking (if applicable) to come to your conclusions. By insulating themselves, skeptical ‘evangelists’ make it more difficult to engage with people, as they have already built a wall between them.

In my opinion, skeptical organisations need to rethink their identity – their goal should be to spread critical thinking skills, not to spread a certain belief system. Phil said it best in his talk:

I’m also of the “teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime” sort of thought…my goal is not to get rid of antiscience per se, it’s to help people walk away from it themselves, to teach them how to think and to give them the ability to use reason when thinking something through.

I don’t think we need to remove irrationality from the world. In fact, I would argue that in some cases, irrationality may be a psychological requirement to deal with some of the uglier aspects of this world, and beyond that is a part of human experience which has contributed wonderful ideas and art. What we do need to do is minimise harm from irrational behaviour, and *act* reasonably, and this was the key point of Phil’s talk. As such, it’s a message worth discussing and sharing.

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  1. Though…
    [quote=Greg]Despite passionately calling for an end to dickish behaviour, the Bad Astronomer avoided calling anyone in particular out, even though I’m sure we all know who the biggest ‘skeptical’ front appendage out there is.[/quote]

    I guess calling anyone in particular a ‘dick’ would be self-defeating, as you’re engaging in the same behaviour.

    Ooops, I fell into the trap! Damn you Plait, you sucker punched me!

  2. Hallelujah
    Speaking as one of the choir, what you have to say is a familiar and cherished song to me. I have to say that I’m a little sceptical myself when it comes to the motives of PP, however. I am sure we will see his speech cited as evidence of what an open-minded lot the scpetics really are.

    Meanwhile, over the past couple of days I’ve seen both Dawkins and Wiseman on TV here. If the CSICOP crowd consider themselves in the minority, they sure get a lot of help from the mainstream media in getting their message across.

    1. Indeed
      [quote=kamarling]Meanwhile, over the past couple of days I’ve seen both Dawkins and Wiseman on TV here. If the CSICOP crowd consider themselves in the minority, they sure get a lot of help from the mainstream media in getting their message across.[/quote]

      That’s a definite aspect to skepticism, which I noted in my post under the ‘insular’ nature. I think it’s a community-consolidating act – “we’re being persecuted, everyone gather close and work together” – but to me it’s just baloney. Skeptical groups have the ear of some of the brightest and most influential minds on the planet, and seem able to get themselves embedded in news articles with minimum effort. Visit most mainstream blogs as well, and the prevailing attitude from the ‘public’ towards Fortean matters is one of condescension and even outright aggression.

      I’ve laughed when I’ve seen blogs by skeptics bemoaning how difficult it is in social gatherings to be a skeptic. Rubbish. Try and be the guy who has written about the possibility that fairy sightings may be genuine accounts. 😉

      1. Ok to be Angry?
        First an apology: when I commented earlier, I was talking in general and I hadn’t actually watched the video. So my apology is to Phil in that I hadn’t paid him due respect in listening to what he said before making a comment. And may I say: what a great speaker he is.

        Now that I have seen the video, I find that it has made me quite angry. I know I shouldn’t be surprised at these things but, for a man giving a lecture on accommodation and diplomacy, the whole undercurrent of his talk was sheer bigotry.

        Throughout, he makes assumptions: there is no afterlife, there is no God, there is no evidence for UFO’s, those who don’t agree with him are irrational. His message is that the rest of the world outside the sceptical community need to be treated with kid gloves because they really are quite simple folk. They are wrong but they don’t know they are wrong. His anecdote at the end just sums it up: whom did he choose for his little experiment? A young earth creationist … the easy target. What better example of a simple-minded, uncritical public can you get?

        My response is two-fold. One – there is evidence for many of the things we talk about here. Perhaps he should take his own advice and go out and look for it. Two – not everything can be objectified. Not everything has lab-produced, physical data to back it up. A monk in a Tibetan monastery probably knows more about enlightenment than Mr. Plait will ever know but Mr. Plait continues to use that word enlightenment as *belonging* to empirical science.

        As long as they continue to use fundamentalists and fairy belief as characterisations of the “rest of us”, the less the “rest of us” will want to have any kind of dialogue with them.

        In short, his topic was worthy but his delivery belied the fact that he did not believe a word of it.

        Dave.

  3. Skepticism
    How about relabeling the Skeptical Movement as “Open-Minded Skepticism” or “Critical Thinking” movement. Their are truly many deluded, weird and crazy people out their who say and believe crazy things. Rather than denigrate them, when I hear them I think – “ooohhh not quite right in the head” and then tend to feel slightly bad for them. And I too believe I am more skeptical than the average person – as well as more informed.

    However – as the discussion points out – skepticism becomes a belief system all its own and as with any belief system, its believers/proponents take on an ardent religiosity that rejects in total contradictory evidence. Belief systems also inherently create a superiority complex in that believers feel superior to non-beleivers as if privy to special information or part of an exclusive club. And what does every ego crave – ego gratification. Man is weak – even the skeptics and need their egos stroked.

    Once you are married to a belief, it becomes very difficult to remain open to ideas that may undermine or destroy the duration and depth of energy vested into that belief, and close-mindedness is the result. An ageless battle that wages in the minds and hearts of each individual – and the smarter you are the easier to rationalize your steadfast commitment to your belief. True open-mindedness and the willingness to divorce yourself from long held beliefs is perhaps the most difficult sacrifice a person can make – it is humiliating, humbling, embarrassing, and can be disheartening if the evidence supports a troubling conclusion. The true heros are those who maintain open-mindedness and use critical thinking rather than emotion.

    1. Great post
      Well said sir. I think you make an important point too in the first paragraph – many of the people that skeptics are most keen to act dickishly towards are people that genuinely need psychological help. The Million Dollar Challenge comes to mind – it seems to have become a circus sideshow where skeptics trot out the latest ‘freak’ to reinforce their skeptical belief system; if they were genuinely trying to be a force for good then this is the last thing they should be doing with such people. I wrote about this earlier in the year in a post titled “Challenging Skepticism.”

  4. Rationality vs. Factuality
    Very well stated, Greg. And kudos to Phil for saying as much as he did; I sure didn’t see that coming.

    I’d also elaborate on something you hinted at in your post: the heavy emphasis on rationality in the skeptical movement makes for a slippery slope at times, since some of the most important advances in modern science appeared exceedingly irrational at the outset.

    Take quantum physics: much of it *defied* rational understanding, to the extent that some of the early pioneers questioned whether it could possibly be correct; yet the evidence was there, it was correct, and scientists were forced to re-think what was or wasn’t “rational.”

    Ditto for meteorites, continental drift, black body radiation, perturbations in Mercury’s orbit, etc. The deciding factor in science, ultimately, is evidence far more than “rationality”–and as we look to the various Fortean phenomena on our radar, skeptics would be wise to set aside preconceptions of what is or isn’t “rationally feasible” and simply examine the facts, period.

    1. Great point
      [quote=jupiter.enteract]as we look to the various Fortean phenomena on our radar, skeptics would be wise to set aside preconceptions of what is or isn’t “rationally feasible” and simply examine the facts, period.[/quote]

      Excellent point Ray. ‘Reasonable’ and ‘rational’ can be quite subjective concepts when it comes to new scientific discoveries.

    2. Nice piece of reporting
      [quote=jupiter.enteract]
      Take quantum physics: much of it *defied* rational understanding, to the extent that some of the early pioneers questioned whether it could possibly be correct; yet the evidence was there, it was correct, and scientists were forced to re-think what was or wasn’t “rational.”

      Ditto for meteorites, continental drift, black body radiation, perturbations in Mercury’s orbit, etc. The deciding factor in science, ultimately, is evidence far more than “rationality”–and as we look to the various Fortean phenomena on our radar, skeptics would be wise to set aside preconceptions of what is or isn’t “rationally feasible” and simply examine the facts, period.
      [/quote]

      You could add cometary impact to that list.

      I did not know that you had to be an atheist to be a scientist.

      I did not know that you could not investigate UFOs or psychic phenomenon using scientific methods.

      I could comment endlessly on leading sceptic David Morrison, who spent decades looking for Nemesis, which WISE has now demonstrated conclusively does not exist. His interference with studies of cometary impact while doing this irritated the hell out of many specialists in the field.

      In the end, data wins.

  5. Don’t proclaim expertise
    Another thing I liked about Phil’s speech was in his telling the anecdote of how he chose to argue with a young Creationist; when she wanted to discuss things about dinosaurs and evolution, he quickly admitted he is not a Biologist, and hence wasn’t qualified enough to give her the answers to such questions.

    That is an important message. Obviously a person with such a passion for science like Phil is perfectly entitled to have a layman’s opinion on fields that stand aside of his particular expertise; people should have many fields of interest, not just the stuff you studied as an undergraduate —Hell, that’s why you’re here reading this, ain’t it? 🙂

    But one of the main problems with skeptics as a “movement”, is that the moment they acquire the term —and the methods of acquiring vary greatly from person to person, although more fall into simply “not believing in God, aliens and fairies” and be (very) vocal about it— they tend to erect themselves as experts in *EVERYTHING*; they feel entitled to give an “expert” skeptic opinion about everything they come across —UFOs, ghosts, Atlantis, reincarnation, 9/11, etc etc.

    But this is not just their fault, since the Larry Kings of the media world always love to use the age-old formula of inviting an expert in some paranormal field —someone like Stan Friedman, who has spent decades researching the UFO phenomenon— and then inviting another “expert”: an official skeptic. The results are often …disastrous.

    So yeah: part of not-being a dick is admitting you don’t have a diploma in Everything-ology 😉

    1. Spot on
      [quote=red pill junkie]But one of the main problems with skeptics as a “movement”, is that the moment they acquire the term —and the methods of acquiring vary greatly from person to person, although more fall into simply “not believing in God, aliens and fairies” and be (very) vocal about it— they tend to erect themselves as experts in *EVERYTHING*; they feel entitled to give an “expert” skeptic opinion about everything they come across —UFOs, ghosts, Atlantis, reincarnation, 9/11, etc etc.

      -snip-

      So yeah: part of not-being a dick is admitting you don’t have a diploma in Everything-ology ;)[/quote]

      Excellent insight RPJ, and something I probably should have mentioned. I too thought Phil’s story about the Creationist was a great example of admitting when an area is not your speciality. Unfortunately, Phil’s fallen into this trap a number of times on the topic of UFOs. It seems exceedingly clear that Phil has read very little on the topic of UFOs*, but he still feels the need to rubbish the field. To anybody that is conversant with a subject, when an uninformed ‘skeptic’ barges in telling them how it is, it’s just automatic dickishness.

      * Phil thinks that ‘UAP’ is a new term (see comment 6 by Martin Shough beneath the story); he claims that the Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting is “now understood to have most likely been a fireball breaking up“; and his pronouncements about amateur astronomers and UFOs have been way off the mark.

  6. What a great article!
    Every

    What a great article!

    Every institution has their extremists and every ideology has their martyrs, personally, I find the most comforting place situated right in the middle. A healthy dose of imagination and a dash of credulity with a heap of reason. To be honest, I do my best to not argue with opposition; 99% of the time it turns into something negative. Instead I search for familiarities in people; 99% of the time it turns into something positive. When we actively seek to pick and probe one another tendencies emerge and those tendencies are almost instinctual; to stand ones ground and protect it, these arguments for the most part are over laughable matters.

    Because in the end…what does really matter? The fact that you had an argument with someone over a “sensitive” topic and most likely turned awkward or angry or the fact that you found commonality and understanding between each other which enables the process of perception. Then later on down the road catch up on indifference.

    If there is one thing I will always stand my ground upon is Individualism. Subjective material is fragile like emotion, it needs caressing and shaping unlike that of blunt skepticism which rips and tears.

    It’s like having your cake and eating it too! 😀

  7. Hardy Har Har
    I almost spit out my coffee when I read that Phil, King Appendage Himself, wants the skeptics to not be dicks. This coming from a guy who personal skewered me with “Goobbly Gook Squared” talk rather than rational discussion on his BA site. Ah, Phil, having to kowtow to sponsors making you soften your edge eh? Well, that’s what happens when you sell out. Have fun trashing the life’s work of as many as you can, while secretly taking-aside all the good ideas so a decade later after the people you’ve trashed are forgotten, you might even get another show out of it! Enjoy your silver Phil and good luck with your new show. I’d think that if you seriously considered whom you will have to hurt in order to be successful and the true price of being a sell-out, you might have a weight on your conscience, but then again I’m pretty sure you don’t have a conscience.

    You might have this though:
    Con – Science

    ASM

  8. Skeptical Language
    I think language attenuated to personal territoriality is at the heart of this issue that leads to an evangelical zeal that sours anything it touches, as the little discussed issue behind skepticism is the lack of self skepticism, a healthy amount of uncertainty and some humility mixed in. This is evident on both sides of the battle of belief systems, which are in effect, as R.A.W observed, “reality tunnels”. Editorial prerogatives as filters that lead to defensive behavior and personal attacks is more of a emotional intelligence issue that over rides the actual
    subject. I don’t expect much to change in the whole but it is refreshing to have a “maybe” once in a while in this self demarcated game.

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