News Briefs 10-08-2017

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"Mix epic individualism with extreme religion; mix show business with everything else; let all that ferment for a few centuries; then run it through the anything-goes ’60s and the internet age. The result is the America we inhabit today, with reality and fantasy weirdly and dangerously blurred and commingled."

~Kurt Andersen, How America Lost Its Mind

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KGB's picture
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Just a thought.

It's a shame that this superb site, still atop my Favourites list, which I've been visiting now for over 13 years and still visit daily, appears to be using the flimsiest excuse to issue yet another anti-Trump diatribe, as in the top 3 links today. If I wanted more of that, and indeed Politics in general then I can visit much of the MSM, including our own, the pathetic BBC, of which many of us Brit's, despite having to pay for it, no longer subscribe to in terms of watching,or listening, to much of their content.

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red pill junkie's picture
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The first link kind of speaks by itself, despite the way I decided to frame it in the link. The EPA thinks that by banning the term 'climate change' they will manage to remove the problem, as if by magic. How is that any different from when Wall Street decided to change the term 'toxic assets' from 'legacy assets' back in the crisis of '08?

2nd link has really nothing to do with Trump... per se. The anti-science and conspiranoid attitude prevalent in America and elsewhere is the result of many things, like the ones expressed in that article, or the one Greg shared yesterday (which I used as my quote of the day). Us in the fringes should be the most concerned on how the most preposterous ideas are taken as fact without the least amount of corroboration.

The 3rd one was probably uncalled for. But c'mon! How can you take issue with me mocking someone who seems to be so ill prepared to deal with a delicate situation like North Korea, he resorts to macho stances which would have sounded corny even in an 80's action movie? Maybe if he had Machete by his side I would've taken him more seriously ;)

I know many in the Paranormal/Alternative world don't want to deal with politics, but IMHO staying away from political issues is in itself a political stance. We have to accept the fact the world is really going through a very crappy path, and I do question whether i is the end result of not offering enough criticism to all the batshit crazy ideas that began to spawn unchecked on our digital neck of the woods since the 90s <-----personal opinion, not necessarily the opinion of The Daily Grail

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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emlong's picture
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"I know many in the Paranormal/Alternative world don't want to deal with politics, but IMHO staying away from political issues is in itself a political stance."

Staying away from all political issues is not a political stance. Staying away from one side of political issues is a political stance.

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Real Orwellia

"In other words, Google simply cannot do evil so long as it believes it is not doing evil. It’s a wonderful image to present to the world—that of a benign, even benevolent corporation striving only for its users, to whom it provides services free. But it also means that Google has effectively redefined what “evil” means. It is whatever Google thinks it means."

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... in other news, People of Earth (Season 2) is more entertaining than ever!

http://www.tbs.com/shows/people-of-earth

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Which way do you want it - over easy or scrambled?

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Trump is a reckless summitch, and so is the army of people poking at Russia with a sharp stick. Had Hillary been elected I suspect we would now be drumming on Russia's doorstep with the threat of total nuclear annihilation "on the table." The "crappy state of affairs" is a universal one at this juncture and no respecter of party boundaries.

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This looks so much like "real" TeeVee news nowadays that I'd have to rank it a close second to the Walter Trump time slip:

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Cindy Joins the Google Search Party and learns proper behavior - another time slip from the 50"s:

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I Thank You for your reply.

I certainly don't take issue with you - you might remember I "borrowed" your phrase on another site some years ago and I have the utmost respect for you. I've seen your posts over the years.
Probably my age but I'm just tired of hearing and seeing stuff I didn't turn a TV on, or a Radio, or a Website to see, hear and read. Stuff that i didn't think the site was particularly interested in.
If I visit Hackaday i expect to see 3dprinting and coding et al.
From the other "comments" I can see I'm in a minority here, time for me to go I think. it's been great fun.

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It was certainly not my intention to make you turn your back on the Grail. But what I fear is for places like these to turn into echo chambers where people only find the things that support what they already believe in.

I believe it is our duty to make our members feel a bit uncomfortable once in a while with regards to their opinions and even their taste (or distaste) for politics. Certainly, this is not really a place of political discussion, but like I stated before, I fear that by staying away from the political spectrum, we are actually taking a political stance.

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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I've been living about 15, 20 miles from skinwalker for about 2 years. I'm a transplant mind you, originally of California (I grew up there 80's and 90's, have since lived in OK, AK, UK and now UT).

So have I seen dogmen? No, but I have seen dogs and some strange things and talked to people who told me even stranger things.

First off the Uintah Basin is an amazing place what little I knew about this place from a couple visits never painted anything like what Ive witnessed or read about on the web. When I infrequently visited I never even had heard of skinwalker, if I had I didn't know the area well enough to connect the dots.

Prior to moving here I would go camping with my wife and her cousin from SLC. Was on one night up in the Uinta mountains overshadowing the basin. Cousin Bobby as he was called (this was approx 5 years ago) were exchanging campfire stories and had described a story he was told while coming back on a road trip from a youth group activity.

There are lots of Indian reservations and communities out here as well as those intermingling the larger small towns and rural areas. The story was about someone of native blood recounting tales of the shapeshifter or skinwalker.

I had recently read (listened audio actually) the windigo and love paranormal in general. One of the stories said that the skinwalker could morph into a hybrid animal and that such creatures approached A friend at their home. The forms included wolfman like entity's but also men who ran like wolves one story was about a sighting by the tellers family member of a man running or galloping I guess on all fours next to a truck on the highway.

So I had an idea of the paranormal in this area, though I thought of it as just part of the America'a lore of folktales.

When I moved out here I was searching about mysteries and was pretty deep into the lost Spanish and Indian gold mines in the Uintas. There's a ton of reading on that subject with links to the Spanish in the 1500's, the mornans and many prospectors as well as the Mayans and the list city of gold (or 7 cities depending on the legend).

So that's when I found the bit about skin walker, I had been searching about grizzly and wolf sightings (officially
Documented in the surrounding states, but officially denied as residents of my state of Utah, despite a bank of data suggesting they have been back for some time here). You can search about the cryptozoology only and mysteries so much I guess before skinwalker ranch pops up.

When I googled the map and saw I was a mere 30 min drive away I was shocked and spentv he night reading about the boat loads of crazy shit that people reported. I'm am an avid amateur hiker and go solo often in areas that are within visual of the ranch, but never gone sniffing around.

I'll say this, I've felt some strange things and vibes out here in the woods. To give you perspective
it the land its many large plateus and basins with the uintah basin forming a large circle surrounded by mountains going from Salt Lake City to Colorado and Wyoming and north of Moab. It's a crazy place with desert or high desert I should say (were above Denver in altitude), and if you head
North you'll hit the Uintas and the canyons connect the two. So you can have arid desert prong horn living a few miles from Shiraz moose. And feel 100 degree summer heat but just 10-20
Miles to the north get caught in a snow storm.

While driving through the Basin to the rim of the Uintas I drove through some Indian land on a public road heading to the state trust and blm or national forest that form painted layers on the maps much like our bainted striped hills.

It was winter and I've seen -20F here, but I think it was probly in the 20's. This road took you through the a small valley up a pass between two rocky mesa like hills at the edge of a plateau hugging the foothills of the mountains.

I saw 4 black dogs. one crossed the road near the top of the pass, a deep ravine littered with small juniper trees. I saw it and was surprised it looked healthy and big, unlike a lot of the farm country strays in the basin and valley below. Then I saw another and abdother run, finally another all following their mother or pack leader.

It was striking seeing them pitch black on the snow and in the uninhabited tribal land. It reminded me of a story about black hounds in a medical story I heard while living in the U.K. About them breaking down the door to the church and killing a man.

I saw them a second time on the edge of the farmland bordering the Indian land. This time it was spring or fall and the rich red rocky ground and the short but thick sagebrush and juniper hills was pretty striking too.

A few other quick things I've experienced to wrap this up is taking to an older Indian man named Jack Sixkiller. Was waiting in line and he told me about some cool paranormal things after we joked about Bigfoot, who he said would like a lady's perfume lol. But then he talked about Bigfoot like he was real and then had a cool story about the little Indians about there homes along the green river and even about how their homes were destroyed on purpose by either Mormons or the gov I gathered.

I especially enjoyed his story of the little people or little Indians as he called them because the one time I thought I was having a paranormal experience involved what I though was a nome in Alaska which happend to actually be fix a fox with a multing inter-season pelt, running down the road in the middle of nowhere. Or it was a nome tha turned into a fox lol or maybe It was a flash back of the chemical kind I'll never know. But dammit it seemed real! :)

I even spoke to a prominent county official, who happened to be a family friend and he even told me about times he was out working when he was young right next to skinwalker and made sure to never be there after dark and how it gave him the creeps. He also told me about seeing a pure white black bear that he estimated was 800 lbs. about 5-600 bigger than the avg bears here but also 1/3 less actually than the largest outliers and record holders. Very large bears of the black bears family are rare but white bears, not blonde are even more rare.

Other than that there have been only a couple odd things I've seen some disturbing campsites and large amounts of bones and clothing in an area outside of town in the hills. With the amazing milky way sky, large amount of caves and abandoned mines and wild habitat and resident and Indian folklore there is a great bit of mystery and intrigue for me in this lesser known and quite remote area known as the uintah basin, the home of skinwalker ranch.

Virtus sola nobilitas

emlong's picture
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Still my favorite Dogman story as related in an old "Sasquatch Chronicles" interview. This convincingly narrated encounter that involved a family of witnesses on a camping trip at the edge of Beaver Lake took place near my home in Arkansas.

SQ's infamously banal and inane intro "banter" can be cursored past to get to "Pamela Rose's" interview which begins at about the 9 minute mark.

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Thank you for sharing! I've always wanted to have a true paranormal encounter, but I think I'd pass on a dogman meetup :P

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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Just wanted to add that I am also a very long-time Grail fan, still one of my daily go-to sites for Real News.

It strikes me that the level of batshit insanity that is brewing in certain parts of the world should be reflected in some of the links posted here.

I've always felt that this site is about "prying open our third eyes", collectively, as a species. Pushing the boundaries of knowledge and our understanding of nature.

It is never wise to shove our heads into the sand and be oblivious to shit, and I've always appreciated how Grail posters aren't afraid to shake things up occasionally.

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Red-pill, you joined one single day after me? ha!

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And thanks for the comment. I pretty much agree with you. No doubt there were people in the 30s who were just as interested in Spirituality and science as we are, and in the meantime refused to take a look at what was happening to the world around them.

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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emlong's picture
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"Just wanted to add that I am also a very long-time Grail fan, still one of my daily go-to sites for Real News."

That's a curious statement - much of what TDG explores is highly speculative and damn proud of it with no pretense to being absolutely "real" for certain except on political issues - then it gets pretty thick here.

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Haha, I definitely wrote that with my tongue planted firmly in cheek and should have added a ;-) .

However, at the same time, the statement still kind of stands. Sure there's the fringe and speculative stuff, but there is also all of the latest scientific discoveries and theories, which are rooted in our best understanding of reality.

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...i missed this news briefs and it seems to have broken out into absolute chaos. and to answer the question...Nibiru ;)

...I forgot how I got here but everyone seems to be heading off in that direction. I hope someone brought food. I have a feeling this is going to be a long journey................