Hidden History Debated: Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson Go Head to Head with Skeptic Michael Shermer on the Joe Rogan Podcast

Late last year 'alternative history' author Graham Hancock and 'renegade scholar' Randall Carlson appeared on the Joe Rogan podcast discussing a major topic in Graham's recent book Magicians of the Gods (Amazon US/Amazon UK) - namely, evidence pointing to the possibility that there was a major global catastrophe at the end of the last Ice Age, caused by a comet impact. Noted skeptic Michael Shermer - who has also previously appeared on Joe's show - was moved to comment about the information presented on the podcast, questioning the validity of what was being said.

So Joe decided to bring them all together in the same room to debate the topic face-to-face - resulting in the three and a half hour dialogue (quadralogue?) above.

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allynh's picture
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Keep track of Shermer after the PODcast, there is a good chance that he will write a slam piece misrepresenting what was said. He did the same thing in 2015 when he attended the Thunderbolts conference.

This article has great links showing what happened.

Comments on Michael Shermer’s Article in Sci. American
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2015/10...

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Thanks for the link.

I was of two minds watching the Rogan podcast with respects to Shermer. I thought he was woefully uninformed on many of the topics discussed but was also trying to fill the skeptic role. He was right in pushing the scientific model with respects to evidence that could be verified, duplicated. Unfortunately, he was exposed, along with Michael as a being very unprofessional and derogatory towards Hancock.

Shermer comes across as this quiet and generous guy who just wants to get along with everyone while defending science....your link puts that into a different perceptive.

Graham was really pissed off and I don't blame him as he's been the target of these tactics for years.

Johnny Boy

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I also wrote about Shermer's underhanded skepticism here on the Grail (way back in 2004):

http://dailygrail.com/Essays/2004/12/She...

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He gets away with stuff like this because everybody is sitting in their silo and not wandering around checking out other silos. He can write a slam for the Scientific American silo and no one will check his facts.

I like the Daily Grail because you guys are a bees collecting nectar from many different silos, making "Strange Honey." HA!

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Well, that was embarrassing.

Because Shermer has from little to no actual knowledge about the subject matter, I do not know what he was doing in the show in the first place. I really dislike disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. The evidence in favour of the comet impact theory are stacking up nicely, and there is a great possibility Hancock is right about it, however, the comet impact itself offers zero evidence for an advanced civilisation ever existing or being wiped out by it.

Hancock's so-called theory has existed for over 130 years unproven. This debate, or Hancock's book, offered no actual evidence, because there is none, for any kind of advanced civilisation existing and being wiped out by a catastrophe. It is also extremely dishonest to classify Göbekli Tepe as some sort of a miracle that sprung up from nowhere, and no, it is not a "giant fucking mystery". There actually is art predating and leading to Göbekli Tepe.

Also, want to be taken seriously by those eeevil and close-minded actual scientists? Beating an outdated midcentury straw man (Single Origin Hypothesis) does not really help, you know. Just like quoting Samuel Noah Kramer's (in itself groundbreaking, but now outdated) 1960s work on Sumer. And, don't get me started on not using primary sources.

Like I said, embarrassing on all sides.

If this is creation, I feel misplaced.

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You wrote: "It is also extremely dishonest to classify Göbekli Tepe as some sort of a miracle that sprung up from nowhere, and no, it is not a "giant fucking mystery". There actually is art predating and leading to Göbekli Tepe"

Maybe I missed something--I didn't listen to the entire broadcast--but I'm unaware of anyone (on this show or elsewhere) claiming there was "no art" existing many millennia prior to Sumer and such. Besides Lascaux and other sites, there is evidence of artistic sensibilities even going back to the Neanderthals. What makes Gobekli Tepe unique--and yes, something of a mystery--is the presence of monumental constructions on such a large scale. That was not believed to exist prior to Gobekli Tepe.

Having said that: although it does suggest a level of civilized society much higher for that era than previously thought, it's unwarranted for anyone to start talking about a prior "advanced" civilization based just on that site.